Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Are you dumb?Chechnya was an internal matter within Russia,and Georgia was the one who started that war,and Pridnestrovie didnt want to be a part of Moldova.And when your western leaders talk openly that they want to balkanize Russia and get a strategic defeat of Russia,why are you crying about Russias response?
Look, you don't have to explain. It is always everybody else's fault when Russia invades, kills civilians indiscriminately, occupies territory and eventually brutally oppresses all those happy people they freed. Russia obviously doesn't have any agency in these matters.
And of course, the Russian response to all those very real and very dangerous threats from "the west" was to put 90% of its army inside Ukraine and leave its borders largely undefended. This makes perfect sense.
It's just not easy for us dumb people to connect those dots.
seems fine when Israel or USA does it. why cant Russia do the same? I mean, after all the "terrorist attacks" on Russia like the apartment bombings, theater attack, and elementary school attack then by Western rules they had every right to just murder ever Chechnyan. they showed remarkable restraint from that pov.
its like Russia bad! ya no **** they are bad. they try to act like the West, ofc they are bad.
The entire "Ukraine wants to not get invaded and genocided so they can have minerals!" is blatant Russian propaganda. It is at least the third time someone has taken one of Graham's pragmatic reasons for helping Ukraine (because for some reason the moral reasons are not enough for some) and that was warped into being THE REASON that Ukraine doesn't want to be genocided at invaded.
This is pure projection. This is why Russia invaded, not why Ukraine wants to stop being invaded. fednad is straight up repeating Russian propaganda straight from Medvedev.
seems fine when Israel or USA does it. why cant Russia do the same? I mean, after all the "terrorist attacks" on Russia like the apartment bombings, theater attack, and elementary school attack then by Western rules they had every right to just murder ever Chechnyan. they showed remarkable restraint from that pov.
This is disgusting. Russia murdered an estimated 30-50k civilians, 40% of which are estimated to be children. This isn't ok when any country does it. Posting this in the Ukraine-Russia War thread in order to justify Russia continuing atrocities is just beyond awful. Disgusting.
The majority of the useful idiots, whether on the right or left, tend to believe that the West is primarily responsible for most of the world's problems. They see the current state of Western society as irreparably damaged and therefore conclude that it must either be destroyed or radically transformed. Because of this they will take any opportunity to attack The West, and they are even willing to do so if it means they are objectively help
It's as if a few awful posters ITT read this and then decided to show how true it is. This last page is depressing as hell for all the wrong reasons.
This is disgusting. Russia murdered an estimated 30-50k civilians, 40% of which are estimated to be children. This isn't ok when any country does it. Posting this in the Ukraine-Russia War thread in order to justify Russia continuing atrocities is just beyond awful. Disgusting.
comparing Russia to the USA is not justifying anything. in fact, its the opposite. anyway, I will gladly wait for you to realize that 50k dead civilians by the USA is just as bad as those killed by Russia. but I wont hold my breath.
Clearly justifying Russia's actions.
Clearly stating this is never ok.
If this were "The West whataboutism" thread you might have a point even if your misunderstanding of events makes it completely flawed.
This is the Ukraine thread however, and you are clearly justifying what Russia is doing, as your post clearly states.
a modest proposal
how mad did you get when you read that in 9th grade lol?
What the hell do you think you are saying?
Easily the 5th+ time this guy has gotten so furious at having his hypocrisy explained that he projects his anger onto me.
Mods do something.
Just to highlight the absolute absurdity of the "Ukraine wants to stop the genocide and invasion due to minerals!" argument: this is how Wagner got its start. Prig was in the Donbas trying to make as much profit from the minerals and coal there that was up for grab after Russia invaded. He was put in touch with Uktin and Wagner was formed in order to do Putin's extra dirty work.
What are your "democratic" troops doing in over 700 bases around the world?Wake up yankee,new multipolar world is here right now,the rembrands of british empire is dying slowly and it is good thing
Geert Wilders, the dutch leader of the rightwing "party of freedom" (who got the most votes in the last elections, and his currently part of the governing coalition), who has been dubbed "far right" and "alt right" by many bad faith commentators, just met Zelensky to re-confirm his full commitment to help Ukraine win the war against the russian invader.
Many people owe him and dutch voters voting for him an apology, but none will come.
Politico was even claiming that the ultra-nationalists in Russia rooted for him
What are your "democratic" troops doing in over 700 bases around the world?Wake up yankee,new multipolar world is here right now,the rembrands of british empire is dying slowly and it is good thing
The Russian federation is the geographical remnant of the Russian empire and its eastward colonies and westward conquests. That is almost two centuries of enormous colonial expansion that was never disbanded. Russia also actively pursues an irrendentist policy of invading and occupying an ever increasing amount of countries and regions that got away.
Basically, you're going to bat for the last colonial empire. While decrying imperialism.
Not to worry though, you are far from alone. There is actually a plethora of academic thinkers who dream up explanations as to why you should not reconsider or do introspection on the matter. You can live out your entire life in the comforting notion that you can't possibly be misguided.
What are your "democratic" troops doing in over 700 bases around the world?Wake up yankee,new multipolar world is here right now,the rembrands of british empire is dying slowly and it is good thing
The myth of consensual military bases:
The US: I consent
Other country: I consent
Fednad: isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?
Seriously though, if you think a “multipolar world” is here, then it is completely off the table for the US to remove itself from the world stage so you can live out some isolationist fantasy of letting the world go to **** because you think America did some bad things in its past.
In this case most of the sane world knows that the devil you know is better than the one you don’t. If the US were to leave, their security would become a lot more expensive and the enemies of the free world would be a lot more emboldened. Not going to happen.
Why did you yankees encroach further and further into Russian sphere of influence after 1991?You won the cold war but you never have Ukraine
What the hell do you think you are saying?
Easily the 5th+ time this guy has gotten so furious at having his hypocrisy explained that he projects his anger onto me.
Mods do something.
The only hypocrisy is from the people who support the USA. Russia is just living up to those standards sadly.
Why did you yankees encroach further and further into Russian sphere of influence after 1991?You won the cold war but you never have Ukraine
You're moving the goalposts so fast they should make it a sport of its own.
But sure, I'll just take "encroachment" to mean mean the long list of countries that choose to join NATO every time Russia invaded and occupied another former territory and neighbor. Russia basically runs the best recruitment drive the alliance has ever had. As inviting as the idea of Russian artillery shells hitting their parliament buildings was, most governments sought influence elsewhere. Go figure.
As stated earlier, if Russia had opted for diplomacy, trade and building alliances it would have become a superpower again a long time ago. It didn't. The only reason is that it would have meant continued reforms and eventual change in leadership, which the regime rejected.
Why did you yankees encroach further and further into Russian sphere of influence after 1991?You won the cold war but you never have Ukraine
Hello? we europeans took the countries that wanted to, and behaved appropriately, into our federation. Russia has no right to a "sphere of influence" to begin with, and after the horrors of marxism, they are lucky they are alive with a country to call their own.
