2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Nah, for real, I only suggested it because he basically seems drunk in those clips to me. Is appearing drunk a Parkinson's thing? Also, doesn't that raise questions of everyone around him as to why they didn't speak up sooner?
Yes, many people with Parkinson's can seem drunk. Its a neurological disorder that degenerates motor functions
I get the hate on biden for not standing up to Netanyahu and what’s going on in Gaza, but the idea that it gets better under the guy who for some reason chose to call biden and schumer Palestinians using that word as an implied slur is….a choice
FWIW what pisses me off more about them is they claim Biden is at fault for genocide and he should stop Israel war but then they complain about the war in Ukraine’s where Biden intervene more strongly to stop the Russian ….
They hold contradict position just to blame the west .
Then they claim trump is the same like he wouldn’t give Ukraine on a platter to his buddy Putin and siding more with bibi of course .
It’s sickening .
FWIW what pisses me off more about them is they claim Biden is at fault for genocide and he should stop Israel war but then they complain about the war in Ukraine’s where Biden intervene more strongly to stop the Russian ….
They hold contradict position just to blame the west .
Then they claim trump is the same like he wouldn’t give Ukraine on a platter to his buddy Putin and siding more with bibi of course .
It’s sickening .
Neither of these wars started when Trump was president. Is it just bad luck that Russia and Hamas (Iran) decided to start the wars under Biden presidency? Or did they see a weak cuck president that emboldened them to wage war?
FWIW what pisses me off more about them is they claim Biden is at fault for genocide and he should stop Israel war but then they complain about the war in Ukraine’s where Biden intervene more strongly to stop the Russian ….
They hold contradict position just to blame the west .
Then they claim trump is the same like he wouldn’t give Ukraine on a platter to his buddy Putin and siding more with bibi of course .
It’s sickening .
Why didn't Trump hand them Ukraine in his first term?
Neither of these wars started when Trump was president. Is it just bad luck that Russia and Hamas (Iran) decided to start the wars under Biden presidency? Or did they see a weak cuck president that emboldened them to wage war?
If that was what they thought they saw, they realize now that they were very mistaken and that will not happen again.
He hadn't yet asked.
Trump has specifically said that he would let Russia do whatever they want even in NATO countries. You think he would fight to save Ukraine?
Must be one of those things where we're supposed to take him seriously but not literally, or literally but not seriously, or something.
FWIW what pisses me off more about them is they claim Biden is at fault for genocide and he should stop Israel war but then they complain about the war in Ukraine’s where Biden intervene more strongly to stop the Russian ….
They hold contradict position just to blame the west .
Then they claim trump is the same like he wouldn’t give Ukraine on a platter to his buddy Putin and siding more with bibi of course .
It’s sic
Trump will fully support the Ukraine war.
and its not contradictory to blame the West for both in certain ways. thats the opposite of contradictory. it is a coherent (and proper) world view.
Trump will fully support the Ukraine war.
and its not contradictory to blame the West for both in certain ways. thats the opposite of contradictory. it is a coherent (and proper) world view.
really.
No idea how u can say this crap...
I guess u know more what trump thinks then he himself thinks.
Did putin ask ?
like many times being said.
trump was doing a great job discrediting NATO which it was build to defend against russia.
It would of been dumb to invade ukrayne while u got trump doing everything he can to weaken nato.
putin is dangerous man but not dumb :
"lets invade ukrayne while trump **** over NATO to make sure NATO realize russia is actually a threat and NATO need reinforcement...
Great strategy lozen.
Neither of these wars started when Trump was president. Is it just bad luck that Russia and Hamas (Iran) decided to start the wars under Biden presidency? Or did they see a weak cuck president that emboldened them to wage war?
ok so what did biden do to start those wars ?
What actions or policies u believe started this ?
I know that actions speak louder than words and I know that Trump greenlit the aid bill to Ukraine in Aril. I also know who Trump put on his foreign policy team.
Biden did this ?
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national...
Ukraine and Georgia, both of which expressed interest in MAP in the 2000s, have yet to be allowed to participate, despite receiving vague promises from NATO leaders in 2008 that they would be welcomed in at some point in the future.
Ukraine’s leaders in recent years have made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO — especially current President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who was elected into office in 2019.
His election came on the heels of a move by Ukraine’s parliament to enshrine the goals of joining NATO and the European Union into the country’s constitution in September 2018.
While it’s unclear exactly how each and every country’s leadership feels in 2022 about Ukraine’s status, the process has been largely stalled since 2008. That year, as Ukraine sought to join MAP, President George W. Bush cast his support behind the idea during a summit in Bucharest.
“Welcoming [Ukraine and Georgia] into the Membership Action Plan would send a signal to their citizens that if they continue on the path to democracy and reform they will be welcomed into the institutions of Europe,” Bush said in a speech. “It would send a signal throughout the region that these two nations are, and will remain, sovereign and independent states.
“So my country's position is clear: NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the Membership Action Plan.”
While Biden in the past has supported Ukraine’s entry into NATO, he has kept a cool tone in addressing the possibility over the past year. In June 2021, when asked for a “yes or no” on whether Ukraine would be allowed to join, he said "School's out on that question. It remains to be seen," adding they had more work to do to clean up corruption and improve in other areas to qualify for MAP.
Putin ahead of the February 2022 invasion demanded NATO remove its deployments east of where they were in 1997, which would nearly cut NATO nearly in half: the 14 countries that have joined from 1999 to 2020 were all in the Eastern half of Europe.
no idea what kool-aid you drinking...
I know that actions speak louder than words and I know that Trump greenlit the aid bill to Ukraine in Aril. I also know who Trump put on his foreign policy team.
He's a neocon in a populist's body. Somehow people are still fooled into believing otherwise despite the 4 years worth of evidence we've accumulated
Did putin ask ?
like many times being said.
trump was doing a great job discrediting NATO which it was build to defend against russia.
It would of been dumb to invade ukrayne while u got trump doing everything he can to weaken nato.
putin is dangerous man but not dumb :
"lets invade ukrayne while trump **** over NATO to make sure NATO realize russia is actually a threat and NATO need reinforcement...
Great strategy lozen.
Im not sure if Putin Asked. Did he ask Obama when he invaded Ukraine? Did he ask Joe when he invaded Ukraine
Trump discredited NATO? No he pressured the free loading countries to live up to their commitments. With Putin invading Ukraine and pressure from Biden more countries are hitting their 2% or will. There are very few free loaders other than Canada now
Im not sure if Putin Asked. Did he ask Obama when he invaded Ukraine? Did he ask Joe when he invaded Ukraine
Trump discredited NATO? No he pressured the free loading countries to live up to their commitments. With Putin invading Ukraine and pressure from Biden more countries are hitting their 2% or will. There are very few free loaders other than Canada now
its ok lozen, you know more then world leaders being afraid trump ending nato or not being supportive enough. ...
u been showed many times how trump isnt necessarily interested in nato and again like u always do, discarded them and come back at your old lines that trump love to say :" no one is more pro nato then me"....
its fine.
I heard Trump wants to change the T in NATO to Trump
Touché !
Yeah, it is crazy that so many dems are wanting to nominate a candidate that wasn’t voted for in the primaries. It isn’t like anything unforeseen has happened between the beginning of primaries and now either - they knew Biden lost it and the public would find out before the election.
Similar to the electoral college, in primary elections no one is truly voting for a candidate, but for electors. Those electors may be pledged to a particular candidate, but they are not required to vote for him at the convention. If the candidate they are pledged to has since dropped out of the race, it would make no sense for them to vote for him (after the possible formality of the first round of voting).
Similar to the electoral college, in primary elections no one is truly voting for a candidate, but for electors. Those electors may be pledged to a particular candidate, but they are not required to vote for him at the convention. If the candidate they are pledged to has since dropped out of the race, it would make no sense for them to vote for him (after the possible formality of the first round of voting).
All these pesky facts are really pissing all over bahbah's ability to peddle his false equivalences.
