2024 ELECTION THREAD

Living in the state where Desantis is governor is a major pain in the ass. As RainingMen points out, it is hard to think of anybody that has gone as hard on the culture war nonsense as Desantis, and that includes Trump. The only reason that DeSantis didn't get that nomination is because he lacks the charisma that Trump does have. I am willing to bet that if Trump does win this year, that DeSantis will be a front-runner in 2028, and that will be a major problem for this country.

There is probably something to learn from DeSantis' election success in FL that can be applied to the rest of the country: the public at large does not support the more extreme elements from the left, and the right is capitalizing on that to blow out what should be close elections. If the Dems want to start taking back this country, a good first step would probably be to focus more on where they are strong (perhaps economic policy, infrastructure, and abortion rights) as opposed to where they are vulnerable, such as the left's obsession with unpopular culture war topics.

Might be hard to prove but some effort to guesstimate might be put in.

What do you believe, that the core MAGA is bigger or smaller than the number Trumpers group?

this is the stuff that is crazy to me. it's all just straight projection.

the candidate that has shown he is easily bought is Trump. domestic and foreign oligarchs/govts roll up to his properties/companies with bags of cash and he says whatever they tell him to say.

the reason trump is a national thing at all is because the "mass media" panders to him every chance they get. the media companies desperately want Trump to win because he sells clicks and rage bait better than a "quiet" dem presidency.

I assume that you mean "never Trumpers." The answer to your question is probably core MAGA, but that isn't the correct question to ask.

You should ask whether whether "never anyone but Trump" Republicans currently outnumber "never Trump" Republican voters. Again, we can't know the answer to that question, but I strongly suspect the answer is no.

Very unlikely imo. When you start with the wind at your back and you completely collapse, it's usually a sign that you simply are not viable as a national candidate. (See Bush, Jeb).

I agree that the Democrats would be better off focusing on things like economic policy and abortion rights, but I don't think the DeSantis experience proves the point. As I'm sure you recall. DeSantis desperately tried to position himself as the antidote to left-wing "woke" politics. It was the defining feature of his presidential candidacy, and it didn't work at all. To the contrary, he ended up looking like a fool when he got outmaneuvered by "woke" Disney.

It's entirely possible that focusing on edge culture war topics isn't good politics for either party right now.

i hate trump but seriously hard lol at this

one bucked the party, completely disrupted it despite all their opposition and eventually took it over

the other was anointed by the party - first chosen as vp despite bringing nothing to the table other than fulfilling biden's openly stated requirement that his vp be a black woman and then was just crowned the candidate despite that everyone and their mother knows there's zero chance she'd have prevailed in an open primary - the party even made gavin newsom pledge to never oppose her

if this happened in the 3rd world country, you'd assume she was a puppet for some behind the scenes oligarchs

yes sorry corrector going more crazy than usual today.

"nevery anyone but Trump" is a group which changes depending if Trump is viable. I mean if he is in jail, or completly handicapped, or dead, or whatever out of the picture then they would quickly accept some other candidates, but they wouldn't have this cycle.

Do you agree with me though that if in 2028 or 2032 , with trump out of the picture completly, whatever candidate the republicans field if he has actual rightwing policy, he will be treated the same by people in this forum and mainstream media? insulted relentlessly, his base insulted for ignorance, mocked, treated with utter disregard and so on, literally no matter who he is, if he is against climate change investments, in favor of fossil fuel extraction in the USA in large quantities, in favor of tax cuts and a reduction of welfare, against illegal immigration and so on?

You and Tuma are both wrong imo. The MSM is comprised of individual human beings, a majority of whom want Trump to lose. But if he wins, they of course will enjoy the clicks that a Trump presidency inevitably generates through chaos and buffoonery.

The reality is there are folks that say they are " never Trump" and yes some will stay home but I doubt they vote Democrat. Its just like there were folks " I cant vote Biden" who now have a candidate they believe in . Those folks may have stayed home as well

The way its going Trump is going to lose this election. Hard to believe if that does happen that the last 3 elections could have been won by losing candidate but due to sheer stupidity they cost themselves an easily winnable election

They can go and vote and vote republican for the senate or the house or the state legislature or governor (depending what they are voting for where they live) then vote democrat for president, it happens all elections a bit (lately this is happening less than it did in the past if i am not mistaken, but it still happens).

Also remember than in like 40 states approx, what you vote for president doesn't matter (in the sense that there is approx 0% chance that the state isn't already determined pro harris or pro trump), so people can use that to signal their preferences for third parties or whatever.

Yes Harris is now the favourite and in theory her chances will increase even more with the convention and the momentum is all on her side

Not necessarily. Romney and McCain were criticized by MSM, especially those outlets with left-leaning editorial pages, but they were not routinely characterized as unfit or as threats to Democratic norms.

That's because they were not like Trump. They were just run-of-the-mill Republicans promoting the usual Republican policies.

Ye they just called Mc Cain a war criminal, and Romney a robber baron

It is entirely false that McCain was routinely described as a war criminal by the MSM. In fact, I don't recall any MSM outlet pointing to McCain's service in the military as a reason not to vote for him. Romney was described as wealthy, and for that reason, out of touch with the problems or ordinary people, but he brought a lot of that on himself with that huge gaffe.

I would be interested in seeing some backing for this claim.

I don't think I'll ever get my head wrapped around republicans going from the likes of mccain/romney to trump.

God knows what you could find in Jacobin, but you aren't going to find instances in which CBS, the Washington Post, etc. called McCain a war criminal.

He is.

LOL.

I'm not sure if it is really a majority of trump voters don't like him, but I do agree there are a lot of people who hold their nose when voting for him.

I think the same could be said for kamala (source: her approval rating pre-coup). I think a lot of Dems didn't like her, but now that she is the only thing that stands between trump blasting nuclear bombs over ever inch of the world, tanking the economy, killing everyone who is gay or a minority, ending democracy and all the other things dem claims he wanted to do during his 1st term but he forgot to do but during his 2nd term he is 100% to do.

Was the 2016 election rigged/ hugely influenced by foreign govts propaganda?

Was the 2020 election rigged/ etc?

You and playbig are bringing it today.

EU now trying to blackmail Elon from having Trump on X tonight.

Trump largely governed as a standard Republican. There were only a few policy-related things separating Trump and, say, Mittens Romney. Trade war/protectionist stuff is the big one.

On the other hand, there's the Tax Bill/tax cuts for the wealthy, standard MIC positions, including fealty to Israel, not ACTUALLY fighting against Obamacare (despite campaigning on it; done to rile up the rubes), and however many other things, all of which would be found in a Marco Rubio presidency.

And, regardless of how it's reported, anybody in the US who volunteered to fight in Vietnam is a war criminal. That entire war was one big crime. And McCain wasn't even a COMPETENT criminal! The dude crashed MULTIPLE planes!

He wasn't any more qualified for POTUS than Donald Trump, unless you count him being a monstrous ghoul in Congress for a while as a positive qualification...

dope

Wish they succeed! (strongly doubt it)

These two freaks babbling at each other will LOCK IN the blue check influencer crew, i.e., some of the most credulous famewhores around.