2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
You gotta wonder how much he's getting paid.
I also wonder how his written english is so good, being an Italian and all.
Thx for the good English but I ex post realize I make mistakes here and there often enough.
Anyway as I already said my dad is an American citizen (naturalized some years ago, as he re married with an American woman) and I always had English in my life (mom is an Italian English teacher, played RPGs and magic the gathering in the 90s, played poker last 20 years, studied economics where all sources are in english, and so on).
Unfortunately I don't get paid anything but if you want to chip in I'll gladly take whatever you want to send me
As much as I am repulsed by Kathleen Harris, and as dismayed as I was by the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore, you really can't compare Bush's behavior in connection with the 2000 election to Trump's behavior in connection with the 2020 election.
If you wanted to argue that Bush was a more destructive president than Trump because of the Iraq War, I would be more sympathetic.
Except the Iraq war got overwhelming approval in congress...
Ofc politico isn't endorsing it.
But lol at you protecting behind "far left". If someone is pro Obama and says that mc Cain is a war criminal, that's the democratic party saying that he is a war criminal, not "the far left".
If someone who calls Obama a warmonger also calls mc Cain a war criminal, that would qualify under your exception. But that's not what happened.
If 30 millions of Obama voters are very leftists, the democratic party was ve
Luciom,
I'll save you some time. I probably can find someone, somewhere on the far right who believes that Kamala is a sleeper agent for the Chinese government. And I probably can find someone on the far left who believes that Trump takes all of his orders directly from the Kremlin.
This observation proves only that the internet is vast.
I would dispute that Politico is a main stream media source, but we'll go with it. Here's the headline -
Some on left target McCain’s war record (it's even in your link)
Not exactly the publication calling him a war criminal.
The Nation is definitely not MSM. But let's continue to roll with it. An opinion piece from a Democrat? I can find opinion pieces in the Washington Post and New York Times that say things just as bad about Kamala Harris
Reich was and is definitely mainstream though.
Maybe you missed the point which was that even back then, democrats demonized any and all republican candidates. Treated them like demons, horrible monsters, completely illegitimate participant in democratic discourse.
That was the topic, rococo denied that was the case and claims this only happens because trump. I cla.the same would happen today with any candidate from the right (if he had rightwing positions) and meaningful signals of that happened since 2000
Luciom,
I'll save you some time. I probably can find someone, somewhere on the far right who believes that Kamala is a sleeper agent for the Chinese government. And I probably can find someone on the far left who believes that Trump takes all of his orders directly from the Kremlin.
This observation proves only that the internet is vast.
Check the reply I just wrote. Ofc today we will have complete polarization of that sort. Democrats started it 20+ years ago.
It's not because of Trump and it will continue after trump. Democrats these days can't accept someone with rightwing policies even exists. They would cheer of he got assassinated.
This tax on tips thing is hilarious.
Biden now supports eliminating taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers. On February 7, 2023, Joe Biden announced a plan to crack down on tips by using the IRS to increase the taxation.
kamala administration going to keep following maga lead. this is good for crypto.
What did I "make up"? Leftists voters agitated against mc Cain because "he was a war criminal" and against Romney because he was " a robber Baron".
They also demonized bush Jr on all kind of ways.
It has been 20+ years since the left didn't deny a democratic legitimacy of rightwing policy positions.
They have been allin against anything actually rightwing, not just because they disagree, but painting it as a threat to democracy and illegitimat
You're not stupid, stop playing games. You keep changing your claims of who it is that is conducting these attacks (the left, MSM, etc.) to what the attacks consist of (legitimacy of positions, threat to democracy, war criminal, robber baron, etc. etc.), and when asked to provide actual proof, your evidence is pretty laughable. Combined with your recent performance in the other thread, I'd say that's a lot of "making **** up", or at the very least perpetuating unsubstantiated bullshit and leaving it for others to make the effort to debunk it.
Not necessarily. Romney and McCain were criticized by MSM, especially those outlets with left-leaning editorial pages, but they were not routinely characterized as unfit or as threats to Democratic norms.
That's because they were not like Trump. They were just run-of-the-mill Republicans promoting the usual Republican policies.
Ye they just called Mc Cain a war criminal, and Romney a robber baron
To be clear Luciom, this is what you said that is objectively false. You replied to Rococo's commentary of how the mainstream media talked about McCain and said that they called him a war criminal. The best evidence you could come up with to support that was the Politico article which was not even close to supporting that claim. If you didn't mean to make that claim and want to argue a toned down/different point then fine, but at least acknowledge the fact that your initial claim was inaccurate instead of being so pigheaded about not ever admitting you made a mistake.
At least with the Romney thing you found a tiny bit of evidence but a single opinion piece is still a long way from your implication that mainstream media routinely referred to them in this way.
No that was rococo interpretation of it.
My topic was leftist voters, activists, you know the people who volunteer, the grassroot legions who make politics happen, the people on academia, the teachers and so on and on.
The bone structure, the equivalent of maga on the left side
Check the reply I just wrote. Ofc today we will have complete polarization of that sort. Democrats started it 20+ years ago.
It's not because of Trump and it will continue after trump. Democrats these days can't accept someone with rightwing policies even exists. They would cheer of he got assassinated.
It would be more accurate to trace current levels of polarization to the repeal of the fairness doctrine in 1987 and the subsequent rise in right-wing talk radio.
No that was rococo interpretation of it.
My topic was leftist voters, activists, you know the people who volunteer, the grassroot legions who make politics happen, the people on academia, the teachers and so on and on.
The bone structure, the equivalent of maga on the left side
Unless you're claiming to not know how pronouns work, you're just straight up lying now.
To be clear Luciom, this is what you said that is objectively false. You replied to Rococo's commentary of how the mainstream media talked about McCain and said that they called him a war criminal. The best evidence you could come up with to support that was the Politico article which was not even close to supporting that claim. If you didn't mean to make that claim and want to argue a toned down/different point then fine, but at least ackn
Yes I automatically moved to mainstream democrats from mainstream media.
My fault. I should have accompanied it with "mainstream media moved far to the left as well on the last 10-15 years".
But the seeds were there, leftists (not people outside the democratic party, just people on the left, who voted democrat) called mc Cain a war criminal, then with Romney it was even more widespread, trump appears to be the target because of his personal failures but it's a lie. It's because it's rightwing ok at least some proposals. The left can't accept any rightwing platform as legitimate in a democracy these days and it started with bush Jr.
Anyway it will take some time, but we will be able to verify my claim the next time trump isn't the leader of the republicans anymore (might happen quite soon, especially of democrats get a trifecta).
Funny to hear from luciom the left demonize the right .
Just compare Obama speech to trump speech and tell us your fairy tales again …
Then do it with bill Clinton 3 decades ago vs trump and end up again in your science fiction novel .
I'm sure there will still be plenty of animosity but not even close to the level of character attacks on non-MAGA based Republican candidates that there are on Trump. If the candidate is someone like DeSantis who is essentially trying to be Trump without quite as much baggage but also less charisma then things will probably stay quite similar but if it's back to someone like a Romney or Cheney then the tone will shift drastically even if there is still a significant amount of animosity.
It would be more accurate to trace current levels of polarization to the repeal of the fairness doctrine in 1987 and the subsequent rise in right-wing talk radio.
So Luciom is currently researching the fairness doctrine and the rise of right-wing talk radio in the U.S. so he can represent himself as an expert on those topics as well, right?
So Luciom is currently researching the fairness doctrine and the rise of right-wing talk radio in the U.S. so he can represent himself as an expert on those topics as well, right?
ChatGPT might be the worst thing to happen to this forum. It's reduced the already pretty low barrier to entry of "representing oneself as an expert" to almost nothing on pretty much any topic.
Although I suppose that has to be weighed against those posters who have chosen to crib responses straight from ChatGPT and thus enjoyed a prodigious increase in the quality of their posting.
lol CBS
So Luciom is currently researching the fairness doctrine and the rise of right-wing talk radio in the U.S. so he can represent himself as an expert on those topics as well, right?
I have only heard some anecdotes on right wing radio stuff , but given my take was on the left going ****ed up with the right staying very normal, I don't feel like I need to answer this.
I mean Clinton (bill) talks on immigration were , on content if not on form, trump talks right? It's the left that lost everything decent, every shred of dignity, on many topics.
Not all yet though. The centrist, "Biden" left was decent on the economics (before they went crazy on tariffs).
Biden even allowed oil and gas extraction on federal land, thanks to MSM basically accepting to "not cover the topic too much" I guess, even with democratica voters hating it (but they never knew about it, so it's all good).
Biden putting a 400k threshold for annual household income as the "I won't increase taxes under that" was decent.
But jfc what happened to the "cultural" left was an abomination. You are mutilating children. A normie democrat from 1988 would think aliens got control of the party and you guys all know it.
Clinton (Hillary) correctly went with the super predator thing. Now we are supposed to deny that ever existed.
