SE Hoya Containment Thread (aka Politics)
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When Nancy tells you not to run again or which VP to.pick, you just say "yes ma'am" and get on with it.
yeah these two things are probably related
wait, i thought that the big-brained super geniuses in the room wanted shapiro ???
I am breaking with Nate and Fatty on this one. Just seems obv to pivot from a centrist coastal elite and balance the ticket and energize the base with a progressive Cool Dad (right before you pivot to the center and win the election)
"And make no mistake, violent crime was up during Trump...and that's not even counting the crimes he commited"
On JD Vance: "I can't wait to debate the guy...that is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up."
Jesus, this guy is killing it
As long as Harris doesn't say some Hillary **** like "Everyone make sure to Walk Tuah the polls" she's going to roll. As the young folks say, the vibes are insane
blue team is focused. everyone knows their roles. well, almost everyone
Yeah, fewer congress people trying to act like Zoomers plz. They'll do their own thing well enough, I promise.
I'm probably to the left of everyone in this thread. idk.
but all I really know about tim walz is that he's a Democrat. so if he's really trying to help the economic bottom 90% of us, he'll be the first dem this century to do that.
afaik there is no policy platform from Harris/walz, and people are falling all over themselves to support them.
people were fooled by Obama, Clinton, Biden, the squad, etc...
it's like Malcom x said "if you support the Democrats and they don't support you, you're a chump"
"I am to the left of everyone in this thread" and "dems haven't done anything in 50 years" certainly tracks
lolz. brodie looks pretty bad
Dems drawing record crowds in swing states. Reds transvesigating Andrew Tate, Kyle Rittenhouse, and Joe Rogan after they didn't pledge undying loyalty
Of all the things you love to see, this is among the most loved
Rittenhouse is by far the funniest of the bunch
Worse VP pick: JD or Palin?
I feel like it's still Palin, but the idea it could even be a discussion is hilarious
gotta be jd. at least palin had something of a base, didn't she? all jd has is a handful of the most annoying dickheads on twitter. pure repulsion
lol at a senator from the most important swing state not bringing anything to the table
palin was indeed hilarious because she didn't bring anything to the table in terms of votes - they just thought she was a firecracker who would bring out the apathetic voters and it backfired miserably
the people hating on vance were not voting for trump anyway - nobody who is ok with the trump stream of consciousness adhd spiel is going to be putoff by vance
but vance secures ohio for trump
Vance has a 32.4% favorability rating based on 40 polls. Aug 11, 2024.
Unfavorable. 44.6%. Favorable. 32.4%
bro is actively taking things off the table and tossing them in the fireplace. people loathe this mfer. poison
honestly wouldn't be surprised if trump replaces him
Here's the thing about Ohio: Ohio doesn't matter.
Kamala wins what she's expected to and PA, MI, WI, that's 271 votes, it's Madame President.
Vances tunneling popularity will hurt Republicans in OH down ballot races like the Senate (Brown currently up like 6%).
Vladimir Futon ain't the pick, he's a gift for Dems
Worse VP pick: JD or Palin?
I feel like it's still Palin, but the idea it could even be a discussion is hilarious
It’s JD by far
As terrible an option as Palin was I can at least rationalize it. Obama was going to be unbeatable and McCain made a swing for the fences to try to bridge the gap. He failed, but I at least understand the logic
JD brought nothing to the table in theory and brought worse than nothing in practice
Ehhh, VPs don't really provide enough upside to justify a swing for the fences. I'll go with Palin
I feel like Vance is worse.
Plain had a certain dumb charm to her that people found appealing or interesting.
Vance is just dead air. They were already going to win Ohio so I don’t see his value. Trump has already backed off defending Vance.
So hilarious that it was Mollusk, his idiot sons, and Tucker Carleson who convinced Trump to pick Vance.
I think it’s a mistake to compare Vance to Palin
More accurately you’re comparing Vance to Kaine. Hilldawg was so certain it was in the bag that she picked a charismaless ideological chameleon with zero strategic value and it bit her in the ass when she lost an election she was certain she’d win and her running mate offered absolutely nothing
Trump repeated that exact same mistake but had the added problem of Vance having too many ties to p25
LBJ was pretty bad. he actually killed his president
well the numbers are in, and people hate vance even more than palin. and it keeps getting worse lol
also the project 2025 guy being like yeah our thing is literally trump's agenda is a doozy
