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Trump is having a normal one:
WHERE’S HUNTER?
Walz was an ASSISTANT Coach, not a COACH.
IS SHE TALKING ABOUT ME?
I don't think she wins Texas, but what sort of gap is indicative of how toss-up states will turn?
last name ever, first name greatest
RFK just announced he’s doing an address on Friday. Widely expected to be him dropping out and endorsing Trumpy
What a journey nobody asked for or needed
And voila
I’m curious if the people who worked for this POS’s campaign feel like their life has been a total waste to this point. I sure hope so
speech and platform actually worse than i expected, idk why i got my hopes up even a little. kinda saw it coming though based on how they actively ignored the genocide all week. i was gonna echo the line about it being a hard pivot back to the center, but tbh the idea that they moved left at all was mostly wishcasting copium type stuff from various people.
didn't see the whole speech, but the only concrete policy i caught was her promising to pass this republican border bill (lol), and the foreign stuff in their platform is atrocious, looks written by neocons+israel. the rhetoric might be improved, but words are wind, and they probably won't win overwhelming majorities, so it'll be the same business as usual bipartisan ~nothing, at best. might as well be brandon or hillary or anyone else really, it doesn't matter.
nothing will change, the beatings will continue until morale improves, enjoy arbys, etc
speech and platform actually worse than i expected, idk why i got my hopes up even a little. kinda saw it coming though based on how they actively ignored the genocide all week. i was gonna echo the line about it being a hard pivot back to the center, but tbh the idea that they moved left at all was mostly wishcasting copium type stuff from various people.
didn't see the whole speech, but the only concrete policy i caught was her promising
If she had any courage at all she'd have read as much of Das Kapital as she could've in those 45 minutes and then sang the Palestinian national anthem to close. A gross misuse of time by her to give that speech.
Spoiler
I'm kind over the genocide.
Let's move on to other issues.
Such as Ukraine occupying Russian territory.
LOL PUTIN
cancel culture run amok
luckily she's processed that the kids are still in cages, and they're planning for more
trust the process
I don't think anything aoc said there was out of line. Reasonable to state beating Trump should be the #1 priority.
Punting on Gaza is a mainstream opinion in the US.
consult a map
https://defector.com/stupid-and-contagio...
This was where the whole project of being his own man had taken Kennedy, to a role as a rally prop for 13 minutes—less than six of those minutes at the microphone—in an 87-minute Trump rally.
a pretty grim and hilarious end to the kennedys
kamala working tirelessly around the clock to keep this going 👍👍
have you considered that American doctors are Hamas?
Can someone explain the new Trump stealing election thing.
Apparently it's all about the loyalists who "certify the votes".
And how they are going to not certify.
Sounds stupid from what I get but is there any chance of this working?
Can someone explain the new Trump stealing election thing.
Apparently it's all about the loyalists who "certify the votes".
And how they are going to not certify.
Sounds stupid from what I get but is there any chance of this working?
idk what you're specifically referencing
but for unclear and archaic reasons when you vote for someone, you're not voting for that person directly, you're voting for a delegate who has pledged their vote for that specific candidate
they could, in theory, show up and say "nah i'm going with this other guy instead"
it's never happened before, but it's not an impossibility
this was what the entire jan 6th thing was all about, they were urging them to just say "nah we're going this way" instead of certifying biden as winner which some legal scholars think was a something which could technically be done
not going to research the how or why now but i believe the founding fathers put that in as a failsafe to allow the common sense and decency of the elites in government to overturn election results as they were deeply in fear of the tyranny of the majority (ie the people voting for a "no taxes party") etc
this is also why originally, only land owning white men could vote because they were deeply worried about what the rabble would elect if given the opportunity so pretty sure those things were put in place as a failsafe against madness
Starts at 6:47 WRT to my post
https://youtu.be/QwxkSYHB7zU?si=WcwNR9br...
I'll see if I can piece more together.
