Crime and Punishment
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Not commenting on individual cases but trying children as adults is tantamount to child abuse imo. Not mitigated by legality
No. Well, sort of. Cell regeneration, yo.
I think anyone locked in a high security prison would be a very different person after just one year, but that doesn't mean a 1 year prison sentence should be considered a life sentence.
Indeed but very different might be insufficient. 25 years is over sufficient particukarly for a 16 year old
Call regeneration is nothing to with it of course
Sure but thats still othing g to do with it.
So stap waffling and explain what the **** it is you mean, then. Have you noticed that your incessant waffling and talking circles around whatever point it is you're trying to make instead of just making it annoys the **** out of people?
Persons are not made of cells. Philophically persons and bodies are not the same thing or even necessary in a one to one relation.
If you want to get more unhinbged then here's a quick google finding as an intro: Sarting on page 5 of the PDF
III. THE PROPOSED STANDARD: A PERSON SUFFERING FROM
MPD SHOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR A CRIME
UNLESS ALL OF HER ALTERS KNEW ABOUT AND
ACQUIESCED IN THE CRIME
It's all controversial and difficult. Less explored is the point I was making about personal identity. Much eaiser for the courts to ignore but still it should now be obvious that the person can be dead and buried before the body is. I'd say 25 years for a 16 year old person is way more than life.
Oh, I get it, you're hard, eh? You're going to walk in on day one at maximum security and be the shot caller.
It's all controversial and difficult. Less explored is the point I was making about personal identity. Much eaiser for the courts to ignore but still it should now be obvious that the person can be dead and buried before the body is. I'd say 25 years for a 16 year old person is way more than life.
Way more than life? So the 13-year-old he murdered will rise from the dead in about 15 years?
Also anyone who has actually reads that super book 'zen and art of motorcycle maintenance' knows why ghosts can exist.
Way more than life? So the 13-year-old he murdered will rise from the dead in about 15 years?
I'll assume that's biting wit rather than an attempt at logic.
I aprreciate it's always a difficult conversation when it mighht help people who have comitted such appalling crimes. It's maybe easier to consider when they're the victim although this is pretty harrowing:
There was only one woman in the witness stand that day but out of her came six people prepared to testify about the extreme abuse she had suffered.
"I walked into court, I sat down, I made the oath, and then a few hours later I got back into my body and walked out," Jeni Haynes told the BBC.
As a child, Jeni was repeatedly raped and tortured by her father, Richard Haynes, in what Australian police say is one of the worst child abuse cases in the country.
To cope with the horror, her mind used an extraordinary tactic - creating new identities for her to detach from the pain. The abuse was so extreme and so persistent, she says she ultimately generated 2,500 distinct personalities to survive.
And in the landmark trial in March, Jeni confronted her father to present evidence against him through her personalities, including a four-year-old girl named Symphony.
It's believed to be the first case in Australia, and perhaps the world, where a victim with diagnosed Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) - or Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) - has testified in their other personalities and secured a conviction.
"We weren't scared. We had waited such a long time to tell everyone exactly what he did to us and now he couldn't shut us up," she said.
On 6 September Richard Haynes, now 74, was sentenced to 45 years in jail by a Sydney court.
In March, Jeni was allowed to testify in court as Symphony and five other personalities, each of which would have shared different aspects of the abuse. The trial was heard by a judge only, because lawyers considered the case to be too traumatising for a jury.
It's all controversial and difficult. Less explored is the point I was making about personal identity. Much eaiser for the courts to ignore but still it should now be obvious that the person can be dead and buried before the body is. I'd say 25 years for a 16 year old person is way more than life.
The sentence is given to the physical body that committed the crime, you are free to take your mind and all its personalities with you to prison or not. A "natural life" sentence is just that, it also doesn't apply to, e.g. the afterlife. Glad I could help clarify this highly ambiguous matter.
The sentence is for the physical body, you are free to take your mind and all its personalities with you to prison or not.
That is generally the view taken. As I said
I'd prefer the more correct philosophical answer but on this occasion I think it would be untrue.
I'll have to wait for some mad lex luther type to come up with a mind transplant. More likely when we start holding AI/robotic as having rights. I expect I will be dead by then by any measure
Ok, so now that we've got past this completely irrelevant derail, I take it we're in agreement that a 25 year sentence is not a life sentence. Great stuff, took a while, but we got there.
what if all major news sites say its a life sentence.
when I bring you 3 major newspapers that said life, I won, ok?
you wanted it D2. I'm happy either way.
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Aiden Fucci sentenced to life in prison for fatally stabbing ...
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24.03.2023 — A judge sentenced Aiden Fucci – the Florida teenager convicted of first-degree murder for stabbing a 13-year-old over 100 times in 2021 – to ...
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[/URL]24.03.2023 — Aiden Fucci was sentenced Friday to life in prison for fatally stabbing Florida cheerleader Tristyn Bailey 114 times.
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24.03.2023 — Teen killer Aiden Fucci, 16, who stabbed 13-year-old cheerleader and schoolmate Tristyn Bailey 114 times, has been sentenced to life in ...
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Aiden Fucci, 16, gets life sentence for killing classmate ...
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Nearly two years after stabbing 13-year-old Tristyn Bailey 114 times killing her, Aiden Fucci, 16, learned Friday he is sentenced to life in ...
BUT NOT LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE WASHOE!!!!
Jasus.😆
Probably. Some parole board members may even be heard muttering soemthing about them not being the same person they were.
We can also expect advances in alternatives to prison
Well, not any time soon, I wouldn't think. And, given what the authorities are like, the alternatives might be in some ways worse. You'll recall that Alan Turing's 'alternative to prison' was to agree to be put on Lupron. Mind, I think he'd completed the course and come off the drug (now used as a 'puberty-blocker') by the time of his death. I'm not sure anyone knows exactly what led to his death, but that whole business clearly didn't help.
