Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the clarification


by corpus vile P

Right so you did mean Arabs making your earlier wailing at my question irrelevant. So again: Why do you assume all Arabs and ME people are brown people?

I don't assume that, and I never implied as much. This is not the first time that you've taken something I wrote and engaged in some bizarre, pathetic, bad-faith semantics game to make some gotcha that doesn't even make any sense at a cursory glance.

by corpus vile P

Why don't you just admit you have a white middle class suburbia presumption that all Arabs and Middle Easterners are brown people? Own it bro. 😀

Why don't you admit that you get excited whenever you read the newest reports about whichever school or hospital or neighborhood that Israel blew up today? That's infinitely closer to the truth than your absurd racial gotcha could ever be.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

I don't assume that, and I never implied as much.


Lol here's what you said:

Why do you assume that I was referring solely to Arabs and middle easterners?


Then you said:

The "brown people" referenced are the Arabs, Black people, and others


So again why do you assume all Arabs are brown people? You going to answer this three times asked question or not?

Why don't you admit that you get excited whenever you read the newest reports about whichever school or hospital or neighborhood that Israel blew up today? That's infinitely closer to the truth than your absurd racial gotcha could ever be.


Because I don;t get excited so have nothing to admit to.


by Victor P

is this what you are crowing about?

shooting drones into a heavily populated urban center that had nothing to do with Oct 7?


sick bloodthirsty *******s

BOIDS is unlikely to respond to you (although me saying this might up those odds).

It's become quite clear that BOIDS doesn't respond to anybody saying anything that runs contrary to his bloodthirsty spirit. He doesn't ever respond to me; I'm unaware of him responding to you or, for that matter, anybody else that is opposed to Israel's ongoing war of occupation. He is such a little cowardly baby that he literally acts like he can't see half the posters ITT.

Guy bayes for war all across the globe but can't even muster the stones to argue against his enemies ON THE INTERNET. It's very deeply pathetic.

This shook coward probably has us on ignore 😃


This thread is getting out of control, so can we take a moment to relax and reset? Stop insulting other posters. You can all make your points without having to comment on each other.


by corpus vile P

So again why do you assume all Arabs are brown people? You going to answer this three times asked question or not?

I don't assume that, and I've already explained why. More than once. Let's drop this idiocy until you learn to read.

Also, good job on ascribing a quote to me that I never said.

"Lol here's what you said": Quote:

Why do you assume that I was referring solely to Arabs and middle easterners?

I never wrote this. It doesn't even make sense for me to have written this given the context of our conversation. Also, I'd always capitalize Middle Easterners within that context. Did you quote somebody else in your rush to impotently own me?

You managed to list my name under my first quote. You are one disingenuous-ass mother ****er, huh?


by ganstaman P

This thread is getting out of control, so can we take a moment to relax and reset? Stop insulting other posters. You can all make your points without having to comment on each other.

That's not true. You can't fully understand the depravity of pro-war types and the emptiness of their non-arguments without delving into how their personalities and life experiences inform their ideology of cruelty and exploitation.

This isn't some Obama-style thing where aw shucks we all want what's best for the world, so let's just put our arguments on the table and the best argument wins!


by ganstaman P

This thread is getting out of control, so can we take a moment to relax and reset? Stop insulting other posters. You can all make your points without having to comment on each other.

by ganstaman P

T You are one disingenuous-ass mother ****er, huh?

-Welp, that worked.


by Dunyain P

-Welp, that worked.

I posted that before seeing ganstaman's post.

Also, you types are really struggling to properly attribute quotes!


by Victor P

is this what you are crowing about?

shooting drones into a heavily populated urban center that had nothing to do with Oct 7?


sick bloodthirsty *******s

Wow, you are so "all in" supporting Islamofascism it actually upsets you anytime one of them is perceived as taking an L. It is one thing to support the Palestinian people; but to get enraged a Hamas commander got assassinated in a Hezbollah stronghold is really showing your colors.

The irony is they seem to sincerely consider being martyred fighting the Yahood as a great honor, so you are probably more upset about it than the Islamofasicsts are.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

I posted that before seeing ganstaman's post.

Also, you types are really struggling to properly attribute quotes!

In fairness I do this every time I try to use the forum tools, so you can be assured there was no directed malice behind it.


by MyrnaFTW P

I'm pretty sure Mets was not that extreme but I'm from nyc proper and was living downtown when that happened, and i had to explain to multiple people in the city that Sikh's arent muslim as aggression was layed out towards them (I lived next door to a Punjab deli ) .

I would really like to know his stance on the war on Iraq before, during and after it took place.

I personally never believed our govts wmd storyline and marched in nyc and D

I was in favor then, regret now, but still had zero to do with race and this ********** pretending he knows me ... well not really even that he knows that's not me but because i support Israel he makes me out to be a racist to spread his propoganda

I hate you Myrna for quoting his pablum


by ganstaman P

This thread is getting out of control, so can we take a moment to relax and reset? Stop insulting other posters. You can all make your points without having to comment on each other.

I put them on ignore and they still have to constantly make up lies about me and you guys let them


by Dunyain P

Wow, you are so "all in" supporting Islamofascism it actually upsets you anytime one of them is perceived as taking an L. It is one thing to support the Palestinian people; but to get enraged a Hamas commander got assassinated in a Hezbollah stronghold is really showing your colors.

The irony is they seem to sincerely consider being martyred fighting the Yahood as a great honor, so you are probably more upset about it than the Islamofasicst

I'm not a big fan of drone strikes in residential areas that kill innocent bystanders or risk killing them.

If a Hamas guy was chilling in your city, would you be cool with bombs landing nearby and possibly killing your neighbors or family or friends?


by Victor P

I'm not a big fan of drone strikes in residential areas that kill innocent bystanders or risk killing them.

If a Hamas guy was chilling in your city, would you be cool with bombs landing nearby and possibly killing your neighbors or family or friends?

You are upset that Hamas and Hezbollah are taking an L.

No one thins for one second you are outraged because innocent bystanders might have been in danger. Your homeboy Putin is firing hypersonic missiles into populated cities and you couldn't care less.

Are you aware your own government had a $5 million bounty on this guys head? Too bad he was killed by another government which means the bounty wont be collected. It would be doubly sweet for all the domestic Hamas supporters like yourself their own tax dollars are being used as a reward for killing one of their heroes.


i think harvard just got rid of that dumbass who couldn't figure out whether calling for jews to be genocided was anti semitic


LOL Victor. He has 500 posts in this thread criticizing Israel for targeting Palestinian "civilians" instead of going after Hamas. Then they directly assassinate one of Hamas's most wanted and he is doubly outraged. Talk about exposing your power level.


by BOIDS P

i think harvard just got rid of that dumbass who couldn't figure out whether calling for jews to be genocided was anti semitic

As an aside I actually read one of the papers that was posted on "X" recently. There was not real data to back up her assertion, but the basic premise of the paper was that blacks only vote Democrat because they are low information, and dont realize how little they actually align with the Democratic Party platform. Actually seemed a very plausible, interesting argument.


by BOIDS P

i think harvard just got rid of that dumbass who couldn't figure out whether calling for jews to be genocided was anti semitic

She's finally resigning. Hallelujah


by Dunyain P

LOL Victor. He has 500 posts in this thread criticizing Israel for targeting Palestinian "civilians" instead of going after Hamas. Then they directly assassinate one of Hamas's most wanted and he is doubly outraged. Talk about exposing your power level.

Of course he's outraged. He wants only civilians to die so he can call Israel names


by metsandfinsfan P

She's finally resigning. Hallelujah

Meh. She was just following the talking points her lawyers provided her with. I dont think this is really a win for anyone. Universities need less censorship, not more.


by BOIDS P

i think harvard just got rid of that dumbass who couldn't figure out whether calling for jews to be genocided was anti semitic

look at this precious little baby who's too scared to read anything that is possibly contrary to his basic reactionary takes

you are one remarkable bitch-ass coward (to any mod, this is not a personal attack, it is a genuine assessment of BOIDS' obvious weakness of character, which is directly relevant to events ITT as that is what prevents him from engaging in genuine discussions with people that may disabuse him of the stupid things he thinks)

by Dunyain P

LOL Victor. He has 500 posts in this thread criticizing Israel for targeting Palestinian "civilians" instead of going after Hamas. Then they directly assassinate one of Hamas's most wanted and he is doubly outraged. Talk about exposing your power level.

Victor has made it clear that his main issue with this is all of the innocents that were killed and maimed in the pursuit of this Hamas guy.

shooting drones into a heavily populated urban center that had nothing to do with Oct 7?

Note his use of the phrase "heavily populated urban center", and how that directly refutes your insanely uncharitable interpretation of his words.

I understand that, to you, all the murdered civilians produced by the wars of imperialism that you enjoy so profoundly are mere collateral damage, but to a humanist, or, for that many, any decent person, their lives of brutalized civilians are just as valuable as American lives or anyone else's, and their needless loss of life is both a great tragedy and most likely a war crime.


mets and BOIDS are such weak-willed little cowards that they have to put the people with whom they disagree on IGNORE

How pathetic is that? I've never put anybody on ignore. In my life. Then again, I'm not a precious little baby.


I'm laughing at Dunyain calling other people "Islamofascists".

My man, you are, by any reasonable definition, fascism-adjacent and an Islamophobe. Didn't some old probably mythical hippie tell you types something about not casting the first stone?


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

mets and BOIDS are such weak-willed little cowards that they have to put the people with whom they disagree on IGNORE

How pathetic is that? I've never put anybody on ignore. In my life. Then again, I'm not a precious little baby.

---In fairness you spend most of your energy attacking other posters, so putting people you disagree with on ignore would be counterproductive towards your ends. People that like to actually discuss topics and dont want to get bogged down with personal attacks might find the 'ignore' function more useful for that reason.

I have temporarily put posters, including you, on ignore when I was trying to follow a thread and they were making a lot of no content personal attack posts that were distracting and annoying.


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