Israel/Palestine thread
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Islamofasicsts, including Hezbollah and the Palestinians, have destroyed Lebanon from the inside out. Much worse destruction than anything Israel could ever inflict.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/lebano...
The first line of this PBS article from July 2023 I think sums things up pretty succinctly:
"Lebanon has become, for all intents and purposes, a failed state."
I am fairly well aware of the domestic problems Lebanon faces. theres a reason I get upset when I hear of bombs hitting residential areas there.
but they are not run by Hezbollah and the govt has proportional representation of the different ethnic and religous groups. they had massive sectarian violence for years and now the people at least are able to live side by side. the govt seems corrupt as all hell but it is not an Islamofascist govt rather the president is always Christian by constitution.
obv its a lot more complicated than that and there are a lot of financial and corruption problems but your reductive viewpoint is not accurate.
Islamofasicsts, including Hezbollah and the Palestinians, have destroyed Lebanon from the inside out. Much worse destruction than anything Israel could ever inflict.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/lebano...
The first line of this PBS article from July 2023 I think sums things up pretty succinctly:
"Lebanon has become, for all intents and purposes, a failed state."
Your PBS cite includes a transcript of the program, so you could find us quotes proving Hezbollah destroyed Lebanon.
obv its a lot more complicated than that and there are a lot of financial and corruption problems but your reductive viewpoint is not accurate.
Obviously no way to know, but I think we can say with 99% certainty that if the Palestinians and foreign backed militias like Hezbollah didn't become states within states, run out all the Jews and foreign investment, and start wars with Israel for their own reasons that had nothing to do with Lebanon's best interests than Lebanon would be much better off than it is today.
Your PBS cite includes a transcript of the program, so you could find us quotes proving Hezbollah destroyed Lebanon.
I was disputing Victor's claim Lebanon was in a good spot. No one believes that. I certainly dont expect to find any criticism of Hezbollah from PBS of all places, which is very sympathetic to Islamofasicsts generally.
when did I say they were in a good spot?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/turke...
It is certainly possible Israel has a spy ring in Turkey I guess. But given his history of brutal undemocratic political repression and specious claims of conspiracy; more likely these are just perceived political adversaries Erdogan wants jailed, and the alleged Israel connections are non existent.
You cited it as proof that Hezbollah and the PLO destroyed Lebanon. Do you understand how transparent your BS is?
No. Why in the world would I cite an article that doesn't even remotely make or support that claim as proof of my claim? I was merely pointing out even the MSM doesn't think Lebanon is doing so hot right now, contrary to Victor's apparent optimism over Lebanon (he has since walked it back, so kind of moot now).
If there is any further questions, for the record the PBS article in question doesn't criticize Hezbollah at all or insinuate it is responsible for Lebanon failing. That is my own commentary as to a major factor as to why Lebanon sucks now compared to past glory.
No. Why in the world would I cite an article that doesn't even remotely make or support that claim as proof of my claim? I was merely pointing out even the MSM doesn't think Lebanon is doing so hot right now, contrary to Victor's apparent optimism over Lebanon (he has since walked it back, so kind of moot now).
quote the posts bro.
I said they went from a civil war to not killing each other. I didnt walk anything back, you just cant read.
You're obviously interested in his gaslighting or you would have ignored him ages ago
Do me a favour and stop dictating to me who I can and cannot reply to. Stick me on ignore if you don't like reading his quotes but this is my account not yours and I'll respond to whoever tf I feel like, okay? Jasus. 🙄
Two explosions have killed at least 73 people and injured scores more at a memorial ceremony in Iran marking the fourth anniversary of the US killing of Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Force and one of the most powerful men in the Middle East.
A senior official called the blasts a “terroristic” attack, without elaborating on who could be behind them.
Initial eyewitness reports spoke of two explosions 10 minutes apart in the south central city of Kerman, while some reports spoke of four different explosions, suggesting that the incident was a highly sophisticated attack.
State-run media in Iran cited Babak Yektaparast, a spokesperson for the country’s emergency service, as saying 73 people had been killed and 170 wounded.
Initially, local officials said it was not known if the explosions were owing to gas canisters, or suicide bombers. Later officials said the explosions occurred in two bombs that were detonated remotely, and classified the incident as terrorism.
The blasts occurred on the roads leading to Golzar Shahada, the Garden of Martyrs, cemetery in Kerman. Suleimani’s body is buried in the cemetery along with 1,024 resistance fighters, and the site has become a place of pilgrimage for supporters of the so-called “axis of resistance” against the US and the west.
Suleimani was killed in a US drone strike in Baghdad in 2020 and was seen as the leader directing Iranian proxy forces in Iraq and Syria.
Suicide attacks are not common in Iran, and it was not immediately clear if the apparent attack was a result of an domestic group or a group directed by Israel.
Iran had only recently said it had eradicated a group backed by the Mossad, the Israeli state secret service.
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It's not like these concepts are super new. When a Pulitzer prize winner like Bret Stephens brings them up they aren't exactly super fringe concepts.
Axis of Resistance and Axis of Disorder stuff is definitely something to track:
https://globaltaiwan.org/2023/12/the-axi...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Re...
I think we're seeing this alignment of strategic interests between some major BRICS players and the Axis of Resistance. The scenarios to have that escalate into a much broader conflict aren't THAT crazy. I think it doesn't end up looking just like WW2 (for obvious enough reasons). But it could look like the (new) allies at war in no fewer than 3 parts of the world for example, and then who knows from there.
Of course diplomacy can prevail, and there's a big percent of the time it does. Honestly it'll depend just how much Putin, Xi and company really do want to destabilize the globe. And what Trump's position would be.
We can't have a stable system where the west forms a huge powerful military alliance and has no respect for international law.
There will either be the build up of some counter alliance (which we see plenty of embryonic parts of) or we have to make a serious commitment to international law/bodies.
Of course the “Axis of Evil” isn’t a new concept, it’s the same fearmongerinng nonsense W used to justify his military adventures. And Bret Stephens is a neocon dipshit, it should be a huge red flag that he’s priming the pump for war yet again.
We can't expect a system where the west forms a huge powerful military alliance and has no respect for international law to be stable.
There will either be the build up of some counter alliance (which we see plenty of embryonic parts of) or we to show a serious commitment to international law/bodies.
Sorry you think the West is the one destabilizing things in 2024? I'm not talking about 1994 or 2004 anymore. Let's talk TODAY.
Sorry you think the West is the one destabilizing things in 2024? I'm not talking about 1994 or 2004 anymore. Let's talk TODAY.
It's just dynamics. One alliance vs lots of individual powers isn't stable.
TODAY is already unstable. Things are changing fast (i mean in terms of history not daily politics).
This is terrorism right? And Israel surely did it right?
I dont know who did it. But whoever did it, I think it will be very relevant to the ongoing war.
I would be suprised if Israel did it.
I guess it could have been ISIS. Sulodawg killed a bunch of those US backed fools.
in for victor's search for the real killers
Israel wouldn't do it in iran proper, no way
Someone is trying to provoke iran to attack Israel
Possibly. It's also possible Soleimani may have picked up a few enemies in the region.
