Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread
Hello everyone. I've closed the previous mod thread, and opened this to capture all issues related to moderation policies and actions going forward. I'll kick it off by reposting my intro post from the other thread. Again, I'm happy to be here and look forward to hearing from you.
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Hello everyone.
I'm very pleased to have the opportunity to serve as a moderator in Politics and Society. I asked for this position because I believe we are experiencing a polarization in our politics and society unseen since the 1960s. We may well be at a juncture from which we will either make great progress or suffer great setbacks in regards to our democratic foundations and civil rights over the next few years. So I believe it is important to maintain a forum for discussing these important topics. When the other mods had to step back a bit due to their real life time obligations, I asked to join the mod team to help keep the forum going.
I have not followed this forum in the past, though I have been reading through threads the last few days and made a few posts. This has allowed me to get a sense of the initial impression the forum likely makes on new readers who are deciding if our forum is a place they would like to visit regularly and participate in. While I see some familiar names from the live poker forum, many of you I have not had any interaction with to date. I have no preconceived notions of anyone's posting behavior and will essentially start from a clean slate.
I will shortly post more about my modding approach and give my initial impressions of the forum based on my observations over the last several days. I will be soliciting your input on things you like about the forum that you want to remain, and things you don't like that you would like me to change. Your candid input and feedback is very important to me. Especially, please don't hesitate to let me know if you think a policy or a proposal is a bad idea. I'd rather hear it before it goes into effect than after.
My overall modding principle is simple: Be Nice. Disagreement need not be disrespectful, and everyone must be treated with respect. Calling a poster derogatory names or hurling snarky insults never usefully advances a discussion. It just bogs things down and turns off many would be participants. And it's not nice. Don't do it.
My goal is to have a forum where people with a wide variety of opinions along the political spectrum enjoy expressing and debating their views in a spirited manner, free from insults, bigotry and denigrating comments. If you enjoy discussing these important and often polarizing issues in a passionate, yet respectful manner, I look forward to getting to know you and working with you to create a forum people will enjoy visiting and contributing to. You can be as committed, determined and relentless as you like in advocating for your position. Be persuasive, thought provoking and challenging. But be nice.
I want to thank tame_deuces and King Spew for their support in bringing me onboard and for all the time and effort they have put into making the forum better. While I am taking over most of the day to day modding responsibilities, both are retaining their mod status and superpowers, and will be supporting the forum as their availability permits. And I personally welcome their continued advice and feedback.
Again, I am happy to be here and look forward to getting to know you.
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I really admire you ability to objectively look at, seek outside help with, and reassess your decisions. It is something I, and most mods imo, struggle with.
Would have been pretty funny if Luckbox had taken the plunge and self-immollated due to Kel's ban, and then Kel's ban got lifted and his remained in place.
browser have you noticed the mysterious coincidence that once half the posters are no longer allowed to just toss out blanket insults all discussion has ceased in the trans threads
thank you for that rule and enforcing it - better to have zero discussion than one based on a foundation of insults
browser have you noticed the mysterious coincidence that once half the posters are no longer allowed to just toss out blanket insults all discussion has ceased in the trans threads
thank you for that rule and enforcing it - better to have zero discussion than one based on a foundation of insults
You aren't going far enough. Too many caveats. "Better to have zero discussion," is correct all by itself. Except when drunk and the discussion is keeping you from texting an ex. Midwestern values demand silence.
It is entertaining (when the correct amount drunk for it) seeing how people seem nearly forced by their nature to put their opinions out there. And how strong those opinions are. And that they don't just push those opinions and feelings down into their stomach where they belong. So I hope you all keep on doing it for my occasional entertainment, and I sincerely hope that you are not suffering as much as I believe you* possibly are.
I am against insulting blankets, fwiw. Even a poorly manufactured and badly maintained blanket is doing its best.
*Not just specifically you.
I taught an abnormal psych course and mentioned Freud during the "history of psychology" part.
When I took chemistry, they mentioned alchemy.
There are still some weirdos who believe in both.
who doesn't believe in alchemy? apart from long term gold investors i suppose. Anyone who think diamonds are a good investment is nuts and not just because they're common as ****
No. Luckbox was tempbanned for telling me to **** off during a conversation we were having. It had nothing to do with you
Sorry. That was supposed to be a longer post, which a joke attached, but I got distracted by something else and never got back to it. I didn't even realize I sent that.
Anyways, thanks for letting me back. Obviously you are back and want the rhetoric toned down, so fair enough. I will say, whatever my reputation, if you ever think I am skirting or crossing a line you can just send me a PM or even call me out in the forum and tell me to stop and I will most likely just comply.
Sorry. That was supposed to be a longer post, which a joke attached, but I got distracted by something else and never got back to it. I didn't even realize I sent that.
Anyways, thanks for letting me back. Obviously you are back and want the rhetoric toned down, so fair enough. I will say, whatever my reputation, if you ever think I am skirting or crossing a line you can just send me a PM or even call me out in the forum and tell me to s
This "my post was **** because I got I got distracted by something else" excuse is getting a bit tired, Kel. What was it this time, a squirrel?
You aren't going far enough. Too many caveats. "Better to have zero discussion," is correct all by itself. Except when drunk and the discussion is keeping you from texting an ex. Midwestern values demand silence.
It is entertaining (when the correct amount drunk for it) seeing how people seem nearly forced by their nature to put their opinions out there. And how strong those opinions are. And that they don't just push those opinions an
Or it could be that the last posts are just not worthy of responding to.
This "my post was **** because I got I got distracted by something else" excuse is getting a bit tired, Kel. What was it this time, a squirrel?
Squirrels can be distracting. Every morning here in Thailand for exercise I walk down the beach road for an hour feeding the squirrels.
The "Muslims cheering terror attacks" is a bullshit racist trope that goes back to at least Trump.
The "Muslims cheering terror attacks" is a bullshit racist trope that goes back to at least Trump.
IIRC it goes back to about September 12, 2001 and I saw footage of it on CNN at the time, but it from was somewhere in the Middle East, not the US. So to say it's "a bullshit racist trope" is stretching it, at least some Muslims somewhere were congregating and cheering in large groups. Pretty sure that factually, that is a thing that happened, but open to being corrected.
IIRC it goes back to about September 12, 2001 and I saw footage of it on CNN at the time, but it from was somewhere in the Middle East, not the US. So to say it's "a bullshit racist trope" is stretching it, at least some Muslims somewhere were congregating and cheering in large groups. Pretty sure that factually, that is a thing that happened, but open to being corrected.
This is such a pedantic nitpick that I didn’t think I’d need to address it, but yes, I’m sure at some point in history a Muslim has lived up to these kinds of garbage stereotypes, which I guess gives Kel all the justification he needs.
This is such a pedantic nitpick that I didn’t think I’d need to address it, but yes, I’m sure at some point in history a Muslim has lived up to these kinds of garbage stereotypes, which I guess gives Kel all the justification he needs.
The footage I saw was essentially a demonstration in a large square with thousands of people, with many "death to USA" or somesuch placards. I think it might have been Palestine. It was 20 years ago, so I don't remember all the details, but I'd hardly call that a "pedantic nitpick". I'm sure if you watched the news around that time, you'd have seen this footage yourself.
Trump's claim of seeing thousands of muslims celebrating on 9/11 was total and complete BS. But there were many celebrations in some Arab countries, and including the West Bank, of people dancing in the streets. It's easy to find old video of that. So Im not sure what the trope part is. I guess if you refer only to the US it is; but I dont think anyone disputes there were public celebrations on 9/11 overseas
The "Muslims cheering terror attacks" is a bullshit racist trope that goes back to at least Trump.
Oct 07 was a terror attack
https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-ga...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
There is of course a sense of context here re the Palestinians but it's still celebrating a terror attack.
Majority of Muslims and nearly all Muslim nations condemned 9/11. Re Oct 07 Bahrain & UAE revised their original statements to condemn Hamas.
Trump's claim of seeing thousands of muslims celebrating on 9/11 was total and complete BS. But there were many celebrations in some Arab countries, and including the West Bank, of people dancing in the streets. It's easy to find old video of that. So Im not sure what the trope part is. I guess if you refer only to the US it is; but I dont think anyone disputes there were public celebrations on 9/11 overseas
I'm not sure what Trolly's point is - whether it didn't happen so it's a trope, or whether the fact it did happen is a pedantic nitpick. In any case, I was just setting the record straight that it did happen, just not in the US.
In general, I'm no fan of this rhetorical device of "trying to pretend facts that don't fit the ideological narrative aren't facts" (also known as lying), regardless of which side is deploying it.
I'm not sure if I have a different understanding of the word "trope" than some of you, or if I am missing the point, but it seems like the argument is that something can't be a trope if it actually happened at some point, whereas my understanding is something can still be a trope even if it happens to this day.
I'm not sure if I have a different understanding of the word "trope" than some of you, or if I am missing the point, but it seems like the argument is that something can't be a trope if it actually happened at some point, whereas my understanding is something can still be a trope even if it happens to this day.
Fair enough - the dictionary agrees with you, although to me it doesn't seem to comport with the way I've seen it used here. Maybe I'm misreading, but the inference I've been making when a poster says that something or other is a trope is that it is a stereotype which is false.
Why was Dunyain's post ITT deleted? Seemed pretty innocuous to me, and it was part of the conversation.
Why was Dunyain's post ITT deleted? Seemed pretty innocuous to me, and it was part of the conversation.
It did allude to the conversation. But I deleted the other posts of that conversation as well, so it no longer fit without that context, as this thread isnt for posters to critique other posters, suggest they be banned, or bring up past issues they've had with a particular poster.
Just to reiterate, if someone believes someone made a post that violates our standards snd requires mod action, then report the post. If you have questions about mod policies or how they are applied by all means ask them here. But this isnt the place for posters to assess other posters with comments like "poster X always exaggerates" or "poster Y just drops one liners that dont apply to the discussion" and esp not "poster z is a fascist, racist, this-phobic, that-phobic nazi, etc. Besides its really weird to talk about a poster as if their not here and cant see the posts.
But this isnt the place for posters to assess other posters with comments like "poster X always exaggerates" or "poster Y just drops one liners that dont apply to the discussion"
I get your rationale for some, maybe most of your decisions, but deleting posts for the reason above (I believe Kel said something like "poster X always takes an extreme view"), is starting to look a bit control-freaky.
Besides its really weird to talk about a poster as if their not here and cant see the posts.
Eh? He wasn't responding to poster X, so if he doesn't refer to poster X in the 3rd person, how will anyone know who he's talking about? This makes no sense.
I get your rationale for some, maybe most of your decisions, but deleting posts for the reason above (I believe Kel said something like "poster X always takes an extreme view"), is starting to look a bit control-freaky.
Eh? He wasn't responding to poster X, so if he doesn't refer to poster X in the 3rd person, how will anyone know who he's talking about? This makes no sense.
You're focusing on Dunyain post when the actual posts I'm referring to preceded that post and talked about Dunyain once I deleted those then dunyains post about people analyzing his posting itt no longer made sense Deleting dunyains post wasn't punitive it just no longer applied to anything.
You're focusing on Dunyain post when the actual posts I'm referring to preceded that post and talked about Dunyain once I deleted those then dunyains post about people analyzing his posting itt no longer made sense Deleting dunyains post wasn't punitive it just no longer applied to anything.
Maybe I didn't see those, but the Dunyain post I'm talking about was squarely in response to this, which is the post that spawned this conversation, the rest of the conversation remaining very much undeleted:
The "Muslims cheering terror attacks" is a bullshit racist trope that goes back to at least Trump.
Dunyain's post was something along the lines of "don't read too much into my words when I said that, it was part of a response to poster X who always likes to exaggerate, so I did the same". Are we talking about the same post? To me, that's just the guy defending himself against perpetuating "bullshit racist tropes".
Sounds like maybe there was another dialogue that took place, and you deleted the post I am referring to by accident? Or maybe I just caught the thread mid-deletion and that was the only one standing, so I assumed it referred to something other than what was left.
