Israel/Palestine thread
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Good article on comparing Gaza to Warsaw Ghetto. From 2009 but still relevant:
I dont think that makes Gaza and the occupation look good at all.
literal hunger games
I don't know (and don't want to know) which tabloid most of your information comes from but an old schoolfriend's ex-best friend became a prostitute in Saudi and said they were extremely well treated there in terms of not being abused. It's countries like the UK where men tend to brutalise and kill prostitutes, serially sometimes.
No temptation has overtaken Saudi Prince except what is common to mankind.
Explain the safeguards Saudi society has in place.
I thought I had made a post earlier with a drone showing the massive devastation in Gaza. in the post I predicted the guy operating the drone would be killed. wasnt wrong.
still surprised that Motaz is still alive. maybe he is too big to fail at this point. Bisan too, but BOIDS will be happy to know that she was in a spot of bother last night at the Nasser hospital.
Saying that Israel has always been far right misses the point. Even if that were true, the point is that with the way things progressed they will naturally be moving further right and becoming more violent, and that says far more about human nature and the nature of conflict escalation than it does about Israelis.
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No this will move Israel to the middle. They just saw how badly the right failed them. The centrist parties (just right of center) are going to be the next government.
That was referring to the build up to this: 10k rockets launched by Hamas, the suicide bombers in the early 2000s, and the armed clashes. My point was that these type of things lead to a right leaning government.
I agree that Israel's reaction to Oct 7 could lead to a more moderate government, but that's a result of their reaction, not the violence that was inflicted upon them.
violence inflicted on who now?
The dead journalist count is up to 82. Shame.
you don't care about the return of the hostages right, cause I have never seen you post any concern about them. just taking notes on your agenda
That was referring to the build up to this: 10k rockets launched by Hamas, the suicide bombers in the early 2000s, and the armed clashes. My point was that these type of things lead to a right leaning government.
I agree that Israel's reaction to Oct 7 could lead to a more moderate government, but that's a result of their reaction, not the violence that was inflicted upon them.
Or it was the corrupt dictator
you don't care about the return of the hostages right, cause I have never seen you post any concern about them. just taking notes on your agenda
how many hostages has israel rescued through force? i'm pretty sure that number is around 1 and it was in october.. i don't think anyone cares about the hostages.
how many hostages has israel rescued through force? i'm pretty sure that number is around 1 and it was in october.. i don't think anyone cares about the hostages.
israel was stilling willing to do the hostage for prisoner phase of this. they are not who stopped it.
just because you and your friend tear down the posters of the hostages does not mean that people like me do not think about them every day
israel was stilling willing to do the hostage for prisoner phase of this. they are not who stopped it.
just because you and your friend tear down the posters of the hostages does not mean that people like me do not think about them every day
Hamas has offered all hostages exchanged and a ceasefire. that is their standing offer.
if you cared about the hostages you would support this. if you had a family member as hostage then you would support this. if you yourself was a hostage I am sure you would support this.
israel was stilling willing to do the hostage for prisoner phase of this. they are not who stopped it.
just because you and your friend tear down the posters of the hostages does not mean that people like me do not think about them every day
the point is if Israel cared about hostages they would have them all back by now. they care FAR MORE about razing Gaza and pushing out the Palestinians than they care about those hostages.
im absolutely willing to believe that you care about them, i just refuse the idea that the Israeli government gives a **** about them. because they know what to do to get them back yesterday they simply dont want to.
Fighting Hamas does not require targeting journalists.
Fighting Hamas does not require killing 25,000 civilians.
Fighting Hamas does not require flattening most of the housing.
Fighting Hamas does not require starvation.
Fighting Hamas does not require herding the people into a small area of the south.
Fighting Hamas does not require pestering the world to absorb refugees.
Hamas has done everything it can for the past 20 years to make sure fighting it does require immense sacrifices and collateral damage.
Fighting Hamas does not require targeting journalists. they aren't
Fighting Hamas does not require killing 25,000 civilians. we dont know how many of the deaths are civilians, but it sucks that civilians are used as shields
Fighting Hamas does not require flattening most of the housing destroying the tunnel network unfortunately it does.
Fighting Hamas does not require starvation.
how would you fight hamas?
i do not believe they are targeting journalists
herding people into a small area in the south so they can dismantle tunnel network in the north is necesary because egypt wont let them leave
you cant say they want them all in a small area and say that want the world to absorb refugees at the same time
flattening the housing is a necesary evil to destroy the hamas network
i agree, many peoples lives are worse for this. free the hostages and surrender
Grant a state, end the occupation. That would revive the reputation of Fatah overnight. People would see that the party who chose peace -- Fatah -- could deliver normalcy. But that won't happen because you have chosen land over peace; so the genocide will continue.
Hamas has offered all hostages exchanged and a ceasefire. that is their standing offer.
if you cared about the hostages you would support this. if you had a family member as hostage then you would support this. if you yourself was a hostage I am sure you would support this.
Is it not possible to care about the hostages but feel that the Hamas deal is insufficient to achieve the military and political objectives of the war and therefore must be rejected? The end state of the war for Israel was never simply to get the hostages back and Hamas stay in power.
Im not saying whether or not Israel's current operations will necessarily achieve those goals either. Im just suggesting that since the overall objective is not just hostage return that you can care for hostages but still believe a certain deal for their return is unacceptable.
Is it not possible to care about the hostages but feel that the Hamas deal is insufficient to achieve the military and political objectives of the war and therefore must be rejected? The end state of the war for Israel was never simply to get the hostages back and Hamas stay in power.
Im not saying whether or not Israel's current operations will necessarily achieve those goals either. Im just suggesting that since the overall objective is n
right I mean theres an unstated priority there. they would rather cause suffering to the Palestinians and steal their land and livelihoods than get the hostages back.
again, Hamas has offered cease-fires and peace many times. they arent ISIS.
