Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I deleted a post that had altered a quote from another poster by adding words to the quote without any indication that he had done so. Bolding by itself doesnt count as another reader has no way of knowing it wasn't the original posters words.
Its best not to alter anything inside a quote box. But if you must you need to lead off with an FYP or other indication that you altered a quote.
Arab states governing Gaza, except maybe as small parts of an international coalition, is total fantasy.
They have made no secret of the fact they want nothing to do with Gaza.
PA is the only alternative with any legitimacy. And it will need the support of Israelis and Americans to win the hearts and minds of Gazans
The PA does not have the hearts and minds of Gazans exactly because it is perceived they have too much Israeli and American support. Gazans' hearts and minds are with the groups that burn American flags in the streets and shoot rockets at Israel, and are designated as terror groups by American and Israel.
oh another anti semitic rape denying hamas supporter who thinks the jews did most of the civilian killing on oct 7 to themselves.
welcome!
Not sure this is the best read. AFAICT this poster identifies as Jewish and thinks all military men are rapists, including Hamas.
I am not sure exactly what sentiment she aligns with Victor on. Maybe this one?
the poster stated that she mostly agrees with victor's sentiments. these being: antisemitism, support for hamas, denial that hamas targeted civilians on oct 7, a belief that the IDF killed more israelis on oct 7 than did hamas, the denial that rape occurred on oct 7, and so on
as anyone that has been following the thread knows, receipts can be provided for each of the above, and i provide an example below.
the witnesses [to rape] dont have credibility bc they already lied about beheaded babies, burned alive babies, oven cooked babies.
meanwhile, we have no mention of it from released hostages nor any credible survivors. those same survivors, and the army itself, has repeatedly acknowledged that Israel shot tank rounds and hellfire missiles at survivors.
I will continue to point out that Israel killed a ton of their own citizens that day and that there is no credible evidence that Hamas did any rape.
maybe she just came here with the intention of trolling mets due to his conduct in a game of pog werewolf fifteen years ago or something, and didn't intend to associate herself with antisemitic posting.
now that she knows, maybe she will clarify?
ofc there has been no credible evidence.
Cuz the court tasked with actually ascertaining the matter didn't decree it as genocide or even call for a ceasefire, that's how.
And you're free to opine all you like just as others are free to dismiss your opinion. Just don't pass off your subjective opinion as court established fact.
If Israel wanted to engage in actual genocide they could very easily do so and have it achieved within no time, so yeah we're in dispute. They haven't shown any "intent" to actually wipe out the Gaza populace. Falsely accusing Israel in genocide is just a not so veiled dig at Jews being subjected to an actual genocide, rubbing their noses in it. You simply lack the self awareness to see how you come across to others.
Cuz the court tasked with actually ascertaining the matter didn't decree it as genocide or even call for a ceasefire, that's how.
And you're free to opine all you like just as others are free to dismiss your opinion. Just don't pass off your subjective opinion as court established fact.
He ignored the intent part of the definition and thinks israel intends to commit genocide is a given, and then uses a b and c.
The court finding that that absolutely is not Israel's intent but they need to be more careful is ignored by him
Because he is.... well you know the word
Cuz the court tasked with actually ascertaining the matter didn't decree it as genocide or even call for a ceasefire, that's how.
And you're free to opine all you like just as others are free to dismiss your opinion. Just don't pass off your subjective opinion as court established fact.
you seem confused. the court was never going to decree it as genocide at this stage. that is the next step. they did however rule that there was plausible evidence provided by South Africa that Israel was doing genocide. now Israel is actually on trial where the court will eventually rule(in the case of Bosnia it took like 15 years) on if this is indeed a genocide.
you do realize that Israel is on trial now right?
If Israel wanted to engage in actual genocide they could very easily do so and have it achieved within no time, so yeah we're in dispute. They haven't shown any "intent" to actually wipe out the Gaza populace. Falsely accusing Israel in genocide is just a not so veiled dig at Jews being subjected to an actual genocide, rubbing their noses in it. You simply lack the self awareness to see how you come across to others.
well by a 15-2 margin the courts do not agree that this is a false accusation. in fact they say it is plausible.
ofc, many in Israeli govt and media are calling the Hague and South Africa antisemitic so I guess you got your talking points figured out already.
The saudi deal will have a plan for 2 state solution in it. They all want it to work.
Two states is delusional. There's 50 years of investment in building the settlements to prevent a state. The far right is in power. Netanyahu openly says he's against a state. Israel is not withdrawing from Area C so there'll be no state. What we will see is indefinite and ugly occupation.
Cuz the court tasked with actually ascertaining the matter didn't decree it as genocide or even call for a ceasefire, that's how.
And you're free to opine all you like just as others are free to dismiss your opinion. Just don't pass off your subjective opinion as court established fact.
I'll call the systematic removal of an entire race of people from an area, and complete 100% destruction of that area as genocide.
You can call it something else, but definitions don't change just because your team is doing it now.
BTW, I'll also call what Russia is doing in Ukraine as genocide, I don't need a court to rule on it like you do.
Ah. Courts get it wrong ergo this one did huh? Empty out the prisons so, as courts get it wrong after all...
You missed the point completely.
You claimed a court ruled there was no genocide happening, therefore its also impossible for genocide to happen because court said so.
I just exposed faultiness of your argument.
If Israel wanted to engage in actual genocide they could very easily do so and have it achieved within no time, so yeah we're in dispute. They haven't shown any "intent" to actually wipe out the Gaza populace. Falsely accusing Israel in genocide is just a not so veiled dig at Jews being subjected to an actual genocide, rubbing their noses in it. You simply lack the self awareness to see how you come across to others.
Forcibly moving a population from their cities and systematically destroying every square inch of that said city counts as genocide. The intent is there, every square footage of northern Gaza is destroyed.
What else am I supposed to call it? Special military operation?
You missed the point completely.
You claimed a court ruled there was no genocide happening, therefore its also impossible for genocide to happen because court said so.
I just exposed faultiness of your argument.
the court absolutely did not rule there was no genocide. I am not sure why this idea keeps getting repeated. certainly coming from somewhere in the Israeli propaganda echo chamber.
but the court ruled there was plausible evidence of genocide and that Israel will now go to trial.
lol found it
quite clear this is where corpus and mets get their info
Two states is delusional. There's 50 years of investment in building the settlements to prevent a state. The far right is in power. Netanyahu openly says he's against a state. Israel is not withdrawing from Area C so there'll be no state. What we will see is indefinite and ugly occupation.
The saudi deal can change all that
Israel wants regional normalisation more than it wants to keep the status quo
I'll call the systematic removal of an entire race of people from an area, and complete 100% destruction of that area as genocide.
You can call it something else, but definitions don't change just because your team is doing it now.
The goal is to get rid of gaza and their network
You pretending that Israel is kicking them out and will never let them back in us delusional
They want the saudi deal
I'll call the systematic removal of an entire race of people from an area, and complete 100% destruction of that area as genocide.
You can call it something else, but definitions don't change just because your team is doing it now.
BTW, I'll also call what Russia is doing in Ukraine as genocide, I don't need a court to rule on it like you do.
tbh i very very strongly oppose Russia but i don't call the events in ukraine an attempted genocide, because they definitly aren't.
Actions can be morally horrifying, disastrous, a lot of lives can be taken against justice, without a series of events being a genocide.
Chinese actions with uighurs are a genocide, the forced sterilizations / abortions are the strongest element that allows us to call it such.
Russia "only" wants to subjugate the ukrainian population, take ukraine resources, and make them serfs; that's monstrous but that's not an attempted genocide.
Two states is delusional. There's 50 years of investment in building the settlements to prevent a state. The far right is in power. Netanyahu openly says he's against a state. Israel is not withdrawing from Area C so there'll be no state. What we will see is indefinite and ugly occupation.
69% of israelis surveyed at end of December want a new election as soon as the war ends to get rid of bibi
Far right is not winning the next Israeli election
You missed the point completely.
You claimed a court ruled there was no genocide happening, therefore its also impossible for genocide to happen because court said so.
I just exposed faultiness of your argument.
He said there is no genocide currently happening, not that it is impossible for it to happen
He isn't wrong
