Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I don't think any of the countries in the region will allow hamas to retain power
It's a new mid east. The Israel saudi alliance vs the iran alliance. Hamas won't be welcome near the alliance
The plans being discussed by Saudi, U.S. and Israeli officials provide a framework for rebuilding Gaza with significant support from neighboring Arab countries; establishing moderate Palestinian leadership for Gaza; as well as ratifying a defense treaty between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that will provide an alliance against their mutual foe Iran, according to people familiar with the talks. Saudi Arabia has insisted that any plan include a realistic pathway to a Palestinian state
ESTABLISHING MODERATE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP IN GAZA
Moderate leadership means not Hamas
that's part of the plan that SAUDI is proposing
That is what has to happen and what will happen in Gaza
Period
Putting Hamas in the government means making them far more moderate. It's also important to note the major rift between military and political Hamas. The latter probably didn't even know about Oct 7 prior to it. By not allowing the political Hamas into the government, the only way for Hamas (the most popular Palestinian entity) to be heard is through violence.
Ignoring a gigantic and extremely popular entity will not work, they will make themselves heard.
I think you are wrong
nah
I think a major problem with this thread is that people dont read the things that Israeli media and Israeli leaders are saying.
They are afraid of booby traps and killing the hostages. But i still doubt the number is that low
Really, bc I thought this whole thing was "we going to dismantle their tunnels so they can't hide and attack ever again". But really it's turned into, we gonna bomb tf outta this place, journalists, doctors, kids, grannies, babies, heck, even our own hostages!
How many hostages has Israel even rescued?
Oh good another gimmick signed up in 2024 to hate Israel
Really, bc I thought this whole thing was "we going to dismantle their tunnels so they can't hide and attack ever again". But really it's turned into, we gonna bomb tf outta this place, journalists, doctors, kids, grannies, babies, heck, even our own hostages!
How many hostages has Israel even rescued?
You don't think the hostages are in the tunnels?
Really, bc I thought this whole thing was "we going to dismantle their tunnels so they can't hide and attack ever again". But really it's turned into, we gonna bomb tf outta this place, journalists, doctors, kids, grannies, babies, heck, even our own hostages!
How many hostages has Israel even rescued?
supposedly they rescued one early in the conflict. theyve killed who knows how many. its almost like they benefit from dead hostages. esp after they killed 3 shirtless Hebrew speakers execution style.
Don't Call me your friend, gimmick
mouin always brings the facts
Victor has been consistent in his opinions. Feel free to engage him and show which statements you believe are lies and why. Then other posters can participate as well. I suspect the end result will be no one on either side will change their mind and the discussion will fade out as people decide there is no point in continuing (a good result) or, out of new arguments they will result to personal attacks (bad result).
But the mods cannot play
we should note that he never expressed what was a lie nor why.
I will say that there is a chance people will change their minds. I have changed mine many times due to internet posts!
Putting Hamas in the government means making them far more moderate. It's also important to note the major rift between military and political Hamas. The latter probably didn't even know about Oct 7 prior to it. By not allowing the political Hamas into the government, the only way for Hamas (the most popular Palestinian entity) to be heard is through violence.
Ignoring a gigantic and extremely popular entity will not work, they will make th
You know, Hamas did get elected into government and they basically said they weren’t interested in sharing power with Fatah and weren’t interested in negotiating with Israel.
You really think their benefactors in Tehran could prop Hamas up in any kind of power sharing agreement that doesn’t involve continued armed resistance against Israel? You really think Hamas is anything at all without Iranian support?
Hamas is a cancer fueled by Iranian money. It has no way of surviving as anything but cancer on the region. It must be excised.
Yep, fully aware. A major part of letting them back in would be that they acknowledge Israel's right to exist, when removes a lot of the most radical elements. Extremely difficult, but pretty much the only way there's any peace there imo.
I do not think that Hamas is completely reliant on Iran, although the military section is extremely reliant on them.
Israel clearly isn't capable of "excising" Hamas.
I think you're misunderstanding what Saudi Arabia's role in this will be. Saudi Arabia is not going to have any troops in Gaza, they are going to tell Israel that if they want any type of negotiations they will need to pull out of Gaza. This means 0 Saudi Arabia troops and 0 IDF troops in Gaza. That means another entity must take over, and currently the only one who will even consider touching that is PA.
I think you're misunderstanding what Saudi Arabia's role in this will be. Saudi Arabia is not going to have any troops in Gaza, they are going to tell Israel that if they want any type of negotiations they will need to pull out of Gaza. This means 0 Saudi Arabia troops and 0 IDF troops in Gaza. That means another entity must take over, and currently the only one who will even consider touching that is PA.
I think you are misunderstanding who actually wants the deal. You think saudi wants the deal to do Israel a favor?
They both need the deal. They both need a gaza without terrorists in power. That means no hamas.
The plans being discussed by Saudi, U.S. and Israeli officials provide a framework for rebuilding Gaza with significant support from neighboring Arab countries; establishing moderate Palestinian leadership for Gaza; as well as ratifying a defense treaty between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia that will provide an alliance against their mutual foe Iran, according to people familiar with the talks. Saudi Arabia has insisted that any plan include a realistic pathway to a Palestinian state
I'm unsure which part of that, including the bolded, makes you think Saudi Arabia will be supplying troops to occupy Gaza.
The pa could be that entity but it will not be with no troops in gaza. At least not for some time
