Israel/Palestine thread
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even if it were true that most of the world believed it, which it isn't (the reason victor thinks it is because he gets all of his news from the Khamenei News Network), it wouldn't make it true. lots of wrong things are believed by most of the world
Gazans want this to end
The people want the fall of hamas
Does anyone else on this forum (or in the world) believe that the border wall has anything to do with most Mexicans/Central Americans being Catholic?
We do currently have a Catholic president, and growing up Catholic myself I certainly never suffered from any discrimination based on religion.
I agree that setting up a Jewish homeland would have been a non-starter (unless possibly in Alaska, which was not yet a state), but your linking it to w
You did not understand his post.
So just "all Arabs stick together?" Is that your sense of how things work?
Why should the US, UK, Italy and Australia be "on the hook" for it?
The US is supplying the bombs that are destroying people's houses, we have a moral responsibility to compensate the victims.
Bluegrass you support the hostages never coming home ever because you dont support israel doing everything in their power to support hamas
Therefore you are an antisemite
That's how you're logic works right
how many hostages have the bombs and guns brought home? a negative number since they killed many.
how many did the cease fire bring home?
tell me again who wants the hostages to come home? the people who support bombs or the people who support a cease fire.
Victor has been consistent in his opinions. Feel free to engage him and show which statements you believe are lies and why. Then other posters can participate as well. I suspect the end result will be no one on either side will change their mind and the discussion will fade out as people decide there is no point in continuing (a good result) or, out of new arguments they will result to personal attacks (bad result).
But the mods cannot play
He claimed there was no evidence Hamas committed rapes and sexual assaults. Stated that China's genocide of Uighurs were bs claims. Also stated that Anti Semitism wasn't real but a bs concept invented by the US.
Aren't those not lies?
He claimed there was no evidence Hamas committed rapes and sexual assaults. Stated that China's genocide of Uighurs were bs claims. Also stated that Anti Semitism wasn't real but a bs concept invented by the US.
Aren't those not lies?
If they are then it should be fairly easy for you or another poster to quote his statement, then post information/links to sources showing that his statements are factually incorrect. That's the heart of a discussion. The mods arent going to play that role. It would be impossible for any mod to do that.
Yeah that was already done, my point was that certain statements can only be classed as lying. Being merely obtuse doesn't cover it.
Bluegrass you support the hostages never coming home ever because you dont support israel doing everything in their power to support hamas
Therefore you are an antisemite
That's how you're logic works right
Assuming you mean Victor's logic and not mine, but yes I believe that would be correct. Which is obviously ridiculous.
He claimed there was no evidence Hamas committed rapes and sexual assaults. Stated that China's genocide of Uighurs were bs claims. Also stated that Anti Semitism wasn't real but a bs concept invented by the US.
Aren't those not lies?
there is no credible evidence that has been shown. and certainly no evidence it was used as a weapon of war. this has been debunked extensively by Electronic Intifada Mondoweiss and Grey Zone among others.
Ive posted the links many times, not a single person has engaged other than to attack the sources due to the name Intifada without knowing anything about their credibility or history (they are based in Chicago and have won awards).
the family of the women the NYT claims was raped themselves said they were tricked and that she was not raped. the NYT featured multiple supposed witnesses who had massive credibility problems including the paramedic from Zaka that spread the 40 beheaded baby lie Yossi Landau.
from the NYT article itself it is reported that there is no forensic evidence. its all eye witnesses who have massive credibility problems.
and it sounds like many reporters at NYT are not happy with the diligence for this article
Yeah that was already done, my point was that certain statements can only be classed as lying. Being merely obtuse doesn't cover it.
lots of accusations. dont see anyone addressing the substance or the many links I have provided.
saying lol Intifada is not really proving anything is a lie.
I'm not talking about Intifada.
others are. regardless, you are making a lot of vague and broad claims. aka trolling.
It's not trolling. They're claims I've made before and backed up extensively. You know this.
nah its def trolling. and I am being charitable in calling it that bc the alternative is much worse.
I've shown them multiple times in the Ukraine thread. You've already shown how you view forcing people to cite things as making them your "dancing monkey". Repeating lies and having people disprove them is your way of exerting control over others. I'm not playing this game anymore, I've done it several times already and mods refuse to act. You. know exactly what I'm talking about and you can go look up the posts in the Ukraine thread if you actually care.
There's several here which claim you do the same thing, we're not all inventing it.
I've shown them multiple times in the Ukraine thread. You've already shown how you view forcing people to cite things as making them your "dancing monkey". Repeating lies and having people disprove them is your way of exerting control over others. I'm not playing this game anymore, I've done it several times already and mods refuse to act. You. know exactly what I'm talking about and you can go look up the posts in the Ukraine thread if you
show the lie
several lies he says. bigly lies even. lol such weak trolling.
notice how corpus got real quiet when I brought out the cites. he will be back in a few days to make the same claims even tho I just easily made the case.
several lies he says. bigly lies even. lol such weak trolling.
notice how corpus got real quiet when I brought out the cites. he will be back in a few days to make the same claims even tho I just easily made the case.
What's your narrative for the events of october 7th 2023, what justified those horrors and why didn't you condamn those actions by hamas?
Fine, here's one:
This is your response to "Still waiting for evidence that Nazis are running the show btw."
100% a lie you've repeated, got caught and denied you ever said it over and over again and engaged in some dumb semantics argument over it, I showed multiple times that you did say it, you shut up after you realized I could use the search function and pull it up so you stopped repeating for awhile, then continue to come back and repeat it even today.
What's your narrative for the events of october 7th 2023, what justified those horrors and why didn't you condamn those actions by hamas?
I never tried to justify them and obv think that murdering civilians is abhorrent. I am not going to condemn innocent prisoners who are oppressed and violated their entire life when they revolt.
as for narrative, I can only speculate on what their plan was. I dont think it was to just do a bunch of rape and murder. if I had to guess they intended to murder soldiers and take hostages. seems that some fighters proceeded to commit war crime and we will never know the extent or which ones were involved (remember that many resistance groups other than Hamas were involved).
Israel proceeded with the Hannibal directive and used hellfire missiles on fleeing fighters and civilians and hostages alike. from the ynet article (translated from Hebrew) the top brass ordered this and iirc 70 vehicles were destroyed. we have all seen those pictures and Hamas does not have the firepower to do that. I think its pretty likely many of those cars had hostages in them
also we know that Israel killed civilians and resistance fighters alike bc they lowered the number of dead by 200 after realizing that the bodies of both were mixed together. clearly they were all blown up together.
they also blew up kibbutz houses with tanks. we have heard from multiple soldiers that they shot at houses. and we have the 2 survivors from the infamous shelling of the kibbutz house that killed 14 Israelis iirc.
