Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
[QUOTE=Crossnerd]Edit: RULES FOR THIS THREAD
Posting guidelines for Politics and Soci...
These are our baselines. We're not reinventing the wheel here. If you aren't sure if something is acceptable to post, its better to ask first. If you think someone is posting something that violates the above guidelines, please report it or PM me rather than responding in kind.
To reiterate some of the points:
1. No personal attacks. This is a broad instruction, but, in general, we want to focus on attacking an argument rather than the poster making it. It is fine to say a post is antisemitic; it is not okay to call someone an antisemite over and over. If you believe someone is making antisemitic posts, report them or PM me. The same goes for calling people "baby killers" and "genocide lovers". You are allowed to argue that an action supports genocide or that the consequences of certain policies results in the death of children, but we are no longer going to be speaking to one another's intentions. It is not productive to the conversation and doesn't further any debate.
2. Racist posts and other bigoted statements that target a particular group or individuals of such groups with derogatory comments are not allowed. This should not need further explanation.
3. Graphic Images need to be in spoilers with a trigger warning.
4. Wishing Harm on other posters will result in an immediate timeout.
5. Genocidal statements such as "Kill 'em all" etc, are no longer permissible in the thread.
If anyone has any questions about the above, please PM me. I don't want a discussion about the rules to derail the content of this thread. If anything needs clarifying, I will do that in this thread.
Please be aware this thread is strictly moderated[/quote]
Victor, despite your made up views on the country of Israel as a whole, there's an entire system in place just waiting to nuke (figuratively speaking) anyone or anything that would do something like that.
This is today's front page, just to give you a sense of the system of cheques and balances in this society:
bruv they found 30 some bodies bound and shot in the head today.
Haaretz is the paper that many in Israel want to ban right? https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-comm...
seems that Haaretz is once again taking a view outside of the mainstream in Israel
watch the video. "They are members from all different sides of the Israeli political spectrum. They say they are from the right. There are people from the left..."
these 2 Israelis dont seem to share your viewpoint btw.
https://twitter.com/AsafRonel
https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou
Victor I'm saying no credible news source has picked this up yet. But when they do, I promise you Haaertz will be on that like white on rice. Their mission right now is exposing these very elements of the war.
So give the story some time to be verified. By now you should know this.
Haaretz Exclusive: Israeli Army Occupies...
More than 150,000 buildings have been damaged. This is collective punishment.
Haaretz has a paywall but you get something like one article per month free.
Victor I'm saying no credible news source has picked this up yet. But when they do, I promise you Haaertz will be on that like white on rice. Their mission right now is exposing these very elements of the war.
So give the story some time to be verified. By now you should know this.
you are at this stage
this is a neat trick tho. there obv cant be any sort of investigation at this point. so I guess its just the lying Paliworld and my lying eyes that believe this.
Haaretz Exclusive: Israeli Army Occupies...
More than 150,000 buildings have been damaged. This is collective punishment.
Haaretz has a paywall but you get something like one article per month free.
With Hamas building their termites nest under all of Gaza, and very clearly using the entire civilian infrastructure as a base of operation (which is literally a war crime as it relates to the hospitals and schools), I don't know how to measure what was or wasn't necessary. It's so unusual a tactic to put your whole civilization in harms way in your war.
Do I think some of what you list was excessive? You'd have to think so. But it's so hard to flesh out exactly what did or didn't need strikes with intel way above our pay grades. Wars aren't typically supposed to be fought like this. Jihadists just do it different.
you are at this stage
this is a neat trick tho. there obv cant be any sort of investigation at this point. so I guess its just the lying Paliworld and my lying eyes that believe this.
Victor I wait until stories are verified in this conflict, which is a good way to go about most of these things. More information isn't a bad thing.
if you read any of those articles you would have understood that it was entirely based on statements gathered under torture from Gazans as referee by Shin Bet.
ya I'm gonna assume that when UNWRA started firing some of these people, there was smoke near the fire.
The photos of the dudes strapped with guns and ammo didn't help them either
"6 were confirmed to be inside Israel on Oct 7 based on their phones; others discussed their involvement on intercepted phone calls; 3 received texts telling them to report to meeting points on Oct 7, and one was told to bring RPGs stored at his home. "
It's not looking suuuuuper on that front for UNWRA
Let's say Hamas is eliminated. What happens when Hamas 2.0 arises?
try to answer before unspoilering
Do you think with someone else in office significantly fewer people would have been killed in Gaza?
Spoiler
If so, would that have been good?
Spoiler
If so, then you have a problem with how Israel has been conducting the war, right?
I think fewer americans would have died at the end of the Afghanistan fiasco does that mean he should be in office?
We can assume but it's hard to say what someone else would have done
Just because you have hate his politics doesn't mean fewer would have been killed. It's impossible to know
Dumb dumb exercise
There needs to be a way to prevent that in the saudi deal .
Or Israel goes back into war if they want to arise
Again their needs to be a pathways to 2 states with hamas not being allowed in either. Kind of like how Germany doesnt put up with antisemites
Looks like thread might be quiet for a few days
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/arti...
Id he pretty surprised if the US recognized Palestine as a country without a negotiation. But this puts a lot of pressure on bibi
That is not what is being said by Saudi diplomats today (this is a fact, this was restated very recently).
Not a single Arab nation stepped in beyond Iran via proxies.
And according to most geopolitical experts, normalization is completely on track despite this now.
Ridding the middle east of Hamas and eventually most of Iran's proxies is something all the progressive Arab nations WANT. You're seeing it backwards.
Which Arab nations are considered 'progressive'?
Shocking. Anyone care to speculate on what religion the perpetrators practice?
I read a couple of reports that said an unnamed source said it was a hand grenade tossed into the compound. But that conjures up a possible conversation like:
Did you pull the pin?
What pin?
Military stuff is harder than it seems when the pucker factor is high. 😉
Netanyahu told the 18 representatives of hostages’ families that the survival of his hardline, right-wing government was not a factor in the decision-making process. He said that if a good deal came along, he would approve it, Channel 12 news reported, despite friction with far-right ministers who are threatening to bolt the government over the potential sacrifices Israel would need to make as part of the deal.
“If there is a deal that is good for the State of Israel, the return of captives and the achievement of the war’s goals, I will do it, it doesn’t matter to me,” he said, according to the report. “You asked about [potential opposition from within the] the coalition — there is no coalition.”
ADVERTISEMENT
However, he then issued his own caveats.
“But if I am convinced, [if] I think that this [deal] will endanger the security of Israel, or it doesn’t achieve the goals that we want, I won’t do it,” he reportedly said.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks at the Bnei David military academy in the West Bank settlement of Eli, January 30, 2023. (Amos Ben Gershom/GPO)
Netanyahu reportedly declined to go into the specifics of the potential deal and was said to reject a request by the families that the release of hostages take place all at once and not in phases like in the previous weeklong series of releases in November.
“The return of hostages must be carried out in stages as part of a deal,” he said at the meeting, according to the report.
The prime minister also reportedly refused a request to designate the release of the hostages as his highest priority among the other goals of the war — above the elimination of Hamas, and the demilitarization of Gaza — telling the families: “It is not possible to advance one goal of the war at the expense of harming other goals.”
He also reportedly told the families he would not approve a deal “at any price.”
.
