The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by Luciom P

Lol no , unless they can carve out a specific exemption for their sector while benefitting from the skilled immigration in all other sectors.

But if the package they have to evaluate is "very strick legal immigration, even for highly skilled immigrants" vs "much easier highly skilled immigration", ie "should be vastly increase the scope and number of H1B VISAs"?, then it's in their self interest to be pro more highly skilled immigration.

I think they're wrong, but most people seem to care more about making more money and having less competition at their own jobs than at the benefits they get from imported labor and goods. Both unskilled and highly skilled workers.


by Luciom P

Healthcare being too big a proportion of gdp (agreed) <> there are too many doctors in the USA

Btw i am pretty sure you don't think the USA needs more phds in sociology

I think there should be less health care than there is now, regardless of the cost, particularly for the elderly. People are being kept alive way too long, especially when their quality of life is not sustained.

I don't really care about the number of PhDs in psychology we have, and I think we have plenty of doctors right now, but too many specialists and too few generalists.


by chillrob P

I think there should be less health care than there is now, regardless of the cost, particularly for the elderly. People are being kept alive way too long, especially when their quality of life is not sustained.

I don't really care about the number of PhDs in psychology we have, and I think we have plenty of doctors right now, but too many specialists and too few generalists.

Stop subsidizing it then, and stop mandating procedures to insurance


by Luciom P

no mandatory savings no (social security), no mandated insurance for sure for elective services (ie you want an insured doctor, good for you, find one who is, same as non-smoking restaurants), trickier for car insurance we can discuss that on public roads, ofc no mandate on private property.

Anyway 2 states right now don't mandate car insurance and it's not like life is a living hell there so, presumably you can do without (a good rule of th

Virginia does require an extra 500 payment per year if you want to register a car as uninsured and that fee provides coverage, so it actual just subsidizes people who can't get minimum limits for less than 500 a year.


The province of Alberta which some would say is run by a right wing Maga Leader is bringing in new Trans policies . They seem to pretty fair ?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/a-...


-- For minors 17 and under, top and bottom gender reassignment surgeries are not permitted.

-- For children 15 and under, puberty blockers and hormone therapy for the purpose of gender reassignment or affirmation is not permitted, except for those who have already started those treatments. Teens aged 16 and 17 can begin hormone treatment as long as they’re deemed mature enough and have parental, physician and psychologist approval.
-- Province will work to attract one or more medical professionals who specialize in transgender surgery to ensure adults transitioning get the care they need. Build a private registry of medical professionals who work in this field.

-- Classroom instruction on gender, sexuality and sexual orientation now requires parental notification and opt-in.

-- Third-party resource materials on gender, sexuality and sexual orientation in K-12 schools need to be pre-approved by the ministry to make sure they’re age-appropriate.
-- For children under 15, parental consent is needed to change names and pronouns at school, but only notification is required for 16- and 17-year-olds to do so.

-- Pilot project to provide counselling to support parents and youth identifying as transgender.

-- Work with sporting groups to create a division for women and girls where they are not "forced to compete against biologically stronger transgender female athletes."

-- Ensure transgender athletes can "meaningfully participate in the sport of their choice" through the expansion of gender-neutral or coed divisions.


Yeah seems pretty reasonable. "Private registry" sounds like something that will get hacked and leaked though.


by coordi P

Yeah seems pretty reasonable. "Private registry" sounds like something that will get hacked and leaked though.

then wait a solution that is very similar to my preferred take is reasonable for you as well, then why did i get attacked so much for my takes?

maybe i am mistaking you for other users though


by lozen P

The province of Alberta which some would say is run by a right wing Maga Leader is bringing in new Trans policies . They seem to pretty fair ?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/a-...

16+ can be ok in a jurisdiction where other "adult" determinations are allowed 16+ under the same constrains.

Like if you can marry 16+ with those elements i think it's fair you can act to change your sex as well for example.

That's an "age of consent" debate though not a debate about trans-ness


by Luciom P

then wait a solution that is very similar to my preferred take is reasonable for you as well, then why did i get attacked so much for my takes?

maybe i am mistaking you for other users though

Your reasonable takes are intertwined with what I consider abject ignorance.

It makes it hard to give you credit for reasonable takes or to take them at face value

Like, I have to acknowledge your preferred path forward isn't entirely unreasonable, but the reasoning behind that is "Doctors are evil and can't be trusted on this subject", and "Being Trans isn't a medical condition". I fundamentally disagree with both of those points so its hard to reconcile.

And a big point of what makes the proposed Canadian path forward reasonable is that medical care isn't being completely cut off and can be administered if everyone (patient, guardians, and healthcare providers) agrees to move forward with treatment.


Sad to see the MAGA style anti-trans laws coming to Canada, and of course Alberta has the worst ones yet. How ****ing tragic it is that if a teacher knows a student is struggling with horrible parents who reject them being trans, they are legally required to notify the parent that a trans kid wants to use a different name. Ban trans kids from sports and getting the medical care they need is just par for the course in american style anti-trans laws, but this last bit doens't at least get the attention in most states.

Why politicians feel the need to start setting up laws restricting trans people instead of leaving these decisions to medical doctors and teachers who know the students and what is best for them is beyond me.


No trans kids are ever banned from sports.


It's also interesting that you leave parents out of "who know the students and what is best for them".


by Didace P

No trans kids are ever banned from sports.

stop being obtuse


by Trolly McTrollson P

stop being obtuse

No, you.


by uke_master P

Sad to see the MAGA style anti-trans laws coming to Canada, and of course Alberta has the worst ones yet. How ****ing tragic it is that if a teacher knows a student is struggling with horrible parents who reject them being trans, they are legally required to notify the parent that a trans kid wants to use a different name. Ban trans kids from sports and getting the medical care they need is just par for the course in american style anti-tra

I was very curious how you would react to this proposal from the Alberta Government and it shows that there is no compromise with the extreme left lunacy from some . Amazing that people want to leave out the parent in discussing what is best for a child. That just seems like trans lunacy

I would think a vast majority would say this seems reasonable


by uke_master P

Sad to see the MAGA style anti-trans laws coming to Canada, and of course Alberta has the worst ones yet. How ****ing tragic it is that if a teacher knows a student is struggling with horrible parents who reject them being trans, they are legally required to notify the parent that a trans kid wants to use a different name. Ban trans kids from sports and getting the medical care they need is just par for the course in american style anti-tra

Maga style like in famous maga land Japan or Spain


by Trolly McTrollson P

stop being obtuse

Can you tell me which sports are banned for a man who thinks he is a woman?

Or competing with men if you feel you are a woman is a ban?


by coordi P

Your reasonable takes are intertwined with what I consider abject ignorance.

It makes it hard to give you credit for reasonable takes or to take them at face value

Like, I have to acknowledge your preferred path forward isn't entirely unreasonable, but the reasoning behind that is "Doctors are evil and can't be trusted on this subject", and "Being Trans isn't a medical condition". I fundamentally disagree with both of those points so its har

It's not a Canadian path (we wish!), it's just the path taken by the most right-wing Canadian state, the rest are in a much worse condition afaik.

Btw no reread the above, puberty blockers "care" will be absolutely banned to everyone before or during puberty.

Not exactly the "care being available to everyone" thing


by lozen P

Amazing that people want to leave out the parent in discussing what is best for a child. That just seems like trans lunacy

It's about keeping kids alive. Some trans kids are extremely afraid of transphobic parents who will reject them. Before they could safely confide in a teacher without fear of parental retaliation. Now that politicians have started butting in, they are at risk of being legally outed and instead my turn not to their teacher but to nobody. And when young trans kids have no adults in their lives that they can turn to? Well, take a look at those suicide statistics, it is scary to think.

Nobody is against parents being support, loving, and involved in the challenges of their children. That's great. But sometimes being outed to your parents is a risk trans kids aren't willing to take. Sad that this is the truth, but here we are.

And I don't even know this is the worst of it. Think of the teacher who might do an impromptu lesson that includes say an LGBT character, now terrified that parents are going to be starting some petition to get them fired because they didn't get proper consent. It's ****ing sick.


Impromptu lesson that includes an LGBT character?

Rachel has 17 apples. She gives 9 to Sarah, who is a lesbian. How many apples does Rachel have now?

I think a major reason you have people feeling the need to legislate stuff like this is because of this new constant need to introduce LGBT **** into every nook and cranny of life, regardless of whether or not its needed.


by Inso0 P

Impromptu lesson that includes an LGBT character?

Rachel has 17 apples. She gives 9 to Sarah, who is a lesbian. How many apples does Rachel have now?

I think a major reason you have people feeling the need to legislate stuff like this is because of this new constant need to introduce LGBT **** into every nook and cranny of life, regardless of whether or not its needed.

What's to legislate in your example? I don't follow


by uke_master P

It's about keeping kids alive. Some trans kids are extremely afraid of transphobic parents who will reject them. Before they could safely confide in a teacher without fear of parental retaliation. Now that politicians have started butting in, they are at risk of being legally outed and instead my turn not to their teacher but to nobody. And when young trans kids have no adults in their lives that they can turn to? Well, take a look at those

It can also be about keeping non trans kids entire.

Like you don't convince a lesbian 15y old, traumatized girl to remove her breasts so she can finally "feel whole*, just because her life till now was bad.

Does she really feel she is a man? We can discuss this.

But jfc do you really want 15y old being allowed to chop off body parts because they feel bad? Have you ever been an adolescent?


by Luciom P

It can also be about keeping non trans kids entire.

Like you don't convince a lesbian 15y old, traumatized girl to remove her breasts so she can finally "feel whole*, just because her life till now was bad.

Does she really feel she is a man? We can discuss this.

But jfc do you really want 15y old being allowed to chop off body parts because they feel bad? Have you ever been an adolescent?

I guess "chop off" is a little better than the prior "mutilate", but what's with ya'll doing these ridiculous caricatures made to sound as silly as possible? If you need to resort so such characterizations, then your case probably isn't that strong.


by Inso0 P

Impromptu lesson that includes an LGBT character?

Rachel has 17 apples. She gives 9 to Sarah, who is a lesbian. How many apples does Rachel have now?

I think a major reason you have people feeling the need to legislate stuff like this is because of this new constant need to introduce LGBT **** into every nook and cranny of life, regardless of whether or not its needed.

This is just silly. The kind of authentic natural contexts in education when an LGBT character might come up are not a silly example of stuffing it into a math computations, it might be in, say, anything in the humanities or social sciences when a character in a book they are reading or in history etc etc etc is LGBT and this intersects with the lesson. These new Big Government (don't conservatives hate those?) rules mandating consent letters from parents is absolutely going to have a dampening effect on discussing LGBT people in the classroom - that's the point!


If genitals don't determine gender, how does surgically altering one's genitals help gender dysphoria?


by Luciom P

Stop subsidizing it then, and stop mandating procedures to insurance

I don't do either of those.


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