Gun control

Kelhus,

At least for recent years, I can look up crime data by zip code. I also can look up demographic data by zip code. That isn't my point.

I don't know what to say. If getting posters banned was some sort of kick for me, I would have banned more posters when I was an active mod, and I would have reported more posts during my time here. I quit in part because I disliked being responsible for banning people, even when they richly deserved it. And I probably have reported three or four posts in the last twenty years. Several regulars in this forum report three or four posts a week.

What cities are you planning to visit that have lower crime rates than NYC?

We believe in freedom in America

Do you believe in freedom?

I dont know the exact crime rates, and that isn't the most salient consideration either. I do perceive the elites who run NYC dont really care if a career criminal committed a crime against me and my family; and if that did happen and they got caught (unlikely) the main objective of the criminal justice system would be to get them back on the streets as soon as possible to re-offend.

And this isn't a dynamic I would choose to put myself in unless there was some other circumstance that warranted it. For example, in some hypothetical an employer in NYC offered me a job double what I could make anywhere else, that might (or might not, but it would definitely be a discussion) be enough to get me to move to NYC.

Sure. I live close to San Fransisco and visited it often in kindler, gentler times. And I still travel through it up north on occasion.

The people who run the city can run it as they please; and I will exercise my freedom to never stop there again when driving through. And I am not conceited enough to believe they could care less.

NYC had quite a dramatic drop in crime rates recently though.

Guess you've never heard of Rikers Island, huh?

That wasn't my question. You highlighted NYC as one of those crime-ridden coastal cities that you would choose not to visit. I was asking which cities (in the midwest, SE, or SW, I guess) you believe are materially less crime-ridden than NYC.

NYPD has a gigantic budget, bigger than most standing armies, including a wide array of 21st century weapons and vehicles and thousands of police officers. New York City currently has a right wing nut job as mayor and is one of the safest large cities in the US.

NYC has basically been getting safer for 30 years. There are parts of the upper west side that looked like war zones when I was a kid that now have tiny apartments that go for 4000 a month.

There was an increase during COVID, but this is more or less correct.

The police have so many illegal operations in NYC it’s not even believable. They might keep the rich safe.

Of course. That's what it means to be around people. I could find some desolate places in west Texas where I could walk for several days without seeing another person. I'd get bored after a while, but my chances of getting mugged or pickpocketed by a tumbleweed would be very slight indeed.

My dual life primarily in the cozy suburban areas of leawood/overland park but also NYC- both places feel way safer than the norm. I don’t feel a 100 percent safe in rural areas and both NYC and OP are clearly safer places to be than Kansas City or Saint Louis or Vegas for example.

Walking around manhattan, west brooklyn, and central park feels very very safe to me.
The bronx slightly less so.

It always depends on where you are and what time it is. I'm fine riding my bike anywhere in the five boroughs during the day. I'm fine walking virtually anywhere during the day. I wouldn't feel comfortable walking around the East New York--Brownsville area at 3 am.

Oh, corrupt nra? Knock me over with a feather.

Crime stats are shown per capita so the population density is already factored in, which makes your point irrelevant. What is true for a vast majority of big cities is that they are democrat-run hellholes with their Soros DAs and very strict gun laws.

If you look at it, the places with the most gun violence are gun-free zones - schools, college campuses, Chicago, Mexico. So, most gun homicides will be from criminals, who obviously don't care about gun laws.

And around half of all gun deaths in the US are suicides, which inflates the numbers and makes the normies scared of guns when they look at the stats.

Guns don't kill people. People do.

That's only true if area is the same. Otherwise, per capital takes population into account only, not population density.

People with guns kill people. People without guns, not so much. What percent of homicides in the US do you think occur by gun? And what percent by person alone?

Over 80% of homicides occur by gun. In 2021 it was 81%. Unfortunately a lot of those homicides are followed by a suicide. And in the case of mass shootings, the shooter occasionally is intending suicide but does not actually kill himself.

About 54% of deaths by gun are suicides. Before Covid it used to be close to 67%. Unlike many other types of suicide 90% of homicide attempts by gun succeed. With hanging/suffocation its at about 84.5%. Poisoning is kind of interesting at 54% by gas and 8% by drug or liquid. And though not mentioned, slitting your wrists used to be successful about 10% of the time.

In Israel they started disallowing soldiers and police to have guns in their homes over weekends and the suicide rate dropped substantially.

I meant to say 90% of suicide attempts succeed...

I just looked at this thread for the first time. We have guns in our house. My husband is a former Marine. I know how to shoot. All of our neighbors have guns. The little old lady (older than I) at the neighborhood restaurant has a gun on her hip. And all I know is that ganstmaman's quote is the truth.

This is the whole truth and nothing but the truth

it's a stupid argument that makes people who use it look stupid