ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
The most basic example would be to not delete your dead relative from the voter registry and keep getting the papers in his name and send them in to vote.
Ofc this is not scalable or hackable or usable by a party to change outcomes, but it's still a very basic example of things not going how they should.
Ok fair enough. I can see that working. Not really scalable as you say, and no reason to think that one side is more predisposed to doing this than the other.
Also seems like you'd have to be pretty dedicated to the cause to risk fines and possibly prison time if you get caught, for the sake of one extra vote.
you could just get every homeless to vote for what you want to vote.
or you collect their barcodes and ids.
How? Step by step please. Do I go and survey them for their names and social security numbers? Why don't I skip that step and just pay them 5 bucks each to go and vote how I want them to in person? Probably works out cheaper than the logistics of your "homeless mail-in ballot" operation.
How? Step by step please. Do I go and survey them for their names and social security numbers? Why don't I skip that step and just pay them 5 bucks each to go and vote how I want them to?
yeah, like that. idk. if you had backers behind or youre rich you could probably pay them a lot more than 5 bucks. or you buy a pack of fent for 5 bucks, that has a bigger impact imo.
yeah, like that. idk. if you had backers behind or youre rich you could probably pay them a lot more than 5 bucks. or you buy a pack of fent for 5 bucks, that has a bigger impact imo.
And what addresses do we use for these homeless? Coz, you know, they don't have an address (the clue is in the name). Do we just get all their barcodes sent to my home address? That won't raise any suspicion at all.
Right, so we agree that trying to use the homeless to scam mail in voting is a non starter. Good, good. Next plan?
you could just get every homeless to vote for what you want to vote.
or you collect their barcodes and ids and then you vote for them I guess. but idk, I havent thought about this.
States have different rules, you have to name a specific state then describe the strategy you think could work, because every single detail matters a lot
And what addresses do we use for these homeless? Coz, you know, they don't have an address (the clue is in the name). Do we just get all their barcodes sent to my home address? That won't raise any suspicion at all.
Right, so we agree that trying to use the homeless to scam mail in voting is a non starter. Good, good. Next plan?
In california you can register online and download the voting by mail document online afaik.
In Winsconsin where republicans believe massive fraud happens you need proof of residence and photo id and the "sending too many to an address" thing would apply, unless it's a shelter then maybe they would consider it reasonable? i don't know.
In california you can register online and download the voting by mail document online afaik.
In Winsconsin where republicans believe massive fraud happens you need proof of residence and photo id and the "sending too many to an address" thing would apply, unless it's a shelter then maybe they would consider it reasonable? i don't know.
As I say, for how much the logistics of this operation would cost, it would probably be cheaper just to pay them 5 bucks each (or the equivalent in drugs) to just go and vote whichever way you want in person. Obviously payable after they've done it.
Pretty sure when you look at how much in total parties and presidential candidates spend on their campaigns, 5 or even 10 bucks a vote is a steal.
In fact, this gives my my next business idea. I'm going to auction off this service to the highest bidder, with a reserve of 25 bucks a vote, and pocket the difference.
As I say, for how much the logistics of this operation would cost, it would probably be cheaper just to pay them 5 bucks each (or the equivalent in drugs) to just go and vote whichever way you want in person. Obviously payable after they've done it.
Pretty sure when you look at how much in total parties and presidential candidates spend on their campaigns, 5 or even 10 bucks a vote is a steal.
In fact, this gives my my next business idea. I'm
18 U.S. Code § 597 - Expenditures to influence voting
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Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 721; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 601(a)(12), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3498.)
18 U.S. Code § 597 - Expenditures to influence voting
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Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and
Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was
I think we've established for the prurposes of this hypothetical that we are determined to commit voter fraud, we are just discussing the most expedient and risk-reward efficient means of doing so.
Far-right group admits it had ‘no evidence’ of voter fraud.
Despite Trump supporters’ claims to the contrary,
election integrity experts consider the 2020 race to be the most secure ever.
In a rare instance of an improperly reported voting result from the 2020 election,
a Virginia county confirmed in January that Trump had been awarded 2,237
ballots more than he should have, and Biden was short-changed nearly 1,650.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...
Conservative Group Concedes It Can't Back Up Its Election Fraud Charges.
declined to share its evidence—despite having filed a complaint with Georgia Secretary of State
Brad Raffensperger in 2021 in which True the Vote said it possessed "a detailed account
of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta."
"Like all the lies about Georgia's 2020 election, their fabricated
claims of ballot harvesting have been repeatedly debunked."
Rasmusen's Presidential polls are fairly accurate, if a little skewed towards Republicans, but their polls on this type of thing are garbage.
Obviously, the glue on the envelopes in Germany is much stronger than the glue used in the United States. It requires a higher temperature to steam the envelopes open and has a higher viscosity which makes it easier to tear the envelopes. To tell the difference in the glues is easy by smell.
So when you tell Washoe to stop huffing glue, you are really just trying to hide the answer of how the German mail-in system is clearly superior.
As I say, for how much the logistics of this operation would cost, it would probably be cheaper just to pay them 5 bucks each (or the equivalent in drugs) to just go and vote whichever way you want in person. Obviously payable after they've done it.
Pretty sure when you look at how much in total parties and presidential candidates spend on their campaigns, 5 or even 10 bucks a vote is a steal.
In fact, this gives my my next business idea. I'm
Big problem of voter fraud fraud.
How will you tell how they voted?
Again, in our hypothetical, we've already accepted we're committing a crime, we're just discussing the method.
Presumably, when right wingers cry "voter fraud", they are talking about crimes, yes? So we're trying to establish how these crimes could be committted.
Again, in our hypothetical, we've already accepted we're committing a crime, we're just discussing the method.
ye i am saying in Italy the method would be quite more complicated as you are to give the cellphone to the guys operating the voting booth, and in general if you are going to risk jail it will at a minimum cost more to buy those votes than it would otherwise.
ye i am saying in Italy the method would be quite more complicated as you are to give the cellphone to the guys operating the voting booth, and in general if you are going to risk jail it will at a minimum cost more to buy those votes than it would otherwise.
I mean, OK. I tried to make washoe's "homeless vote mill" idea work, I am an engineer after all. I now begrudgingly accept that the original vision may have some fundamental flaws that make the logistics of implementing it cost ineffective.
germany and france certainly know corruption and cheating, but i'm going to go ahead and take a hard PASS on their voting advice.
thanks for playing though.
No. I have no idea what the tape says. Which is why I didn't make any claims about it.
Yes neither of us have read the 300 page report but CNN's legal expert has and I will trust what he says . If the Biden's team are so sure of what they say release the tapes for everyone to hear
I asked you if you could provide a direct quote for what was said. You cannot.
No I provided what CNN's legal expert said
I asked if you could provide the US code t
We disagree but your part of the Biden Cult
One thing about the Trump civil cases I did not know is he has to put up the money now and if he appeals and loses he must pay interest which in the 350 million dollar case is almost a 100 million
Lol Biden cult. I don't give two wet squirts about Joe Biden. Jfc. I'm not even American.
As I have repeatedly demonstrated to you, there is no evidence that Joe Biden broke the law which requires *knowingly* taking classified documents *with the intent of willfully retaining them.* Even if what is in the recent report is correct, it still does not fulfill the requirements of the proper us code which you refuse to cite (presumably because you know it proves you wrong).
We have clear evidence that trump knowingly took classified documents with the intent to retain them. That's the difference.
Right wingers and/or Trumpers calling normal people cultists is the height of irony. Always projecting, true to form.
Speaking of attempts to overthrow an election.
Is this a violation of 18 USC 2383?
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
This appears to implicate the Obama Administration in actually spying on Trump's campaign and incoming Administration officials. Is this not a conspiracy to overthrow the incoming government/ overturn an election? If, in fact, this was aimed at destroying or otherwise tampering with the lawful and peaceful selection of the civilian government then there is a very clear argument that the elements of 18 USC 2384 were satisfied and everyone involved is subject to prosecution.
BJ, you seem to have accidentally missed all the posts critiquing the study you posted. I know a man who assigns the highest importance to intellectual rigour, as you do, would not have ignored them on purpose. Would you like me to quote them for you, to make it easier for you to respond?
