The costs of trans visibility

See what I have learned in life when you get it wrong admit it .
Yes I got it wrong along with multiple media outlets . I think it would be worse if I saw someone get it wrong and just not pointed it out .

Personally I’d prefer we don’t identify these shooters at all but if we’re going to identify a white person shooting up an African American church than we can also identify a trans shooter as well .

Lozen, why do YOU think that the false claim the person was fan spread like wildfire through alt-right media and led to you reposting it here? Go deeper than just being wrong. Why is it that "allegedly trans person does bad thing" is the type of thing your social media showed you and you decided to share it?

I don't think anyone here is actually bullying trans kids; seems very unlikely any of us spends a lot of time with them.

This is terrible though; I certainly hope Oklahoma does the right thing and sentences each of the murderers to life without parole. A message certainly needs to be sent to those who would consider doing such a heinous act.

Don't know, haven't checked but if it has it could be because MSM aren't simply aren't keen on such reports potentially demonising the transgender community and no other reason, really.

Just 3 days after the church shooting the KC parade shooting took place and bumped the church shooting out of the news cycle. It really is tragic that in the US if someone mentions a mass shooting you have to ask "which one?" to know what they are referring to.

I guess this school isn't one of those where kids are pretending to be transgender because all the other students think it's so cool and treat them special.

I don't think any of those schools are in Oklahoma.

No one's suggesting it's wrong to identify characteristics of shooters. I mean, it's kind of weird to feel a need to when you would never say it was a straight person, but I don't think it's a big deal on its own. But this isn't a thread about mass shootings, and it's hard to see how bringing something like that to this thread is for any useful purpose other than to suggest this is some other problem with trans people. Now it could be that you weren't all that worried about it having a useful purpose and just decided to drop it in here because you really wanted to share it and weren't sure where else to do so. If so, I'm just giving you something to think about next time you see something like this. Because at some point, it's statistically likely there will be another trans mass shooter.

Anyway, I'll try to move on now. I don't need a reply and promise I won't suggest any slithering if this doesn't get one. Hopefully my and uke's post give you something to think about, because I'm taking you at your word that you sincerely believe "Yes the majority of trans folks are awesome folks".

There was also the murder of Brianna Ghey last year in the UK, of which transphobia was a secondary motive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_...

Brianna was the same age as Nex.

why did they need to identify the attackers as binary?

The quota has been fulfilled.

Lol @ “there was also the murder of brianna” many many murders and horrific cases of abuse, 100’s of horrific laws whose only purpose is to abuse/dehumanize the trans community. The preconditions of a genocide have been set. In Joe Bidens words this is the civil rights issue of our time, and he undersells.

or on planet earth.

Just so we’re clear , as I pointed out earlier , the cruelty of making people use the wrong bathroom directly resulted in this( and many others) death.

Has Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt been arrested for causing those deaths? Or is it possible the bullying is completely unrelated to the bathroom bill??

That seems like quite the leap you're making. Do you think there could be room for anything in between "Has he been arrested" and "is it possible the bullying is completely unrelated to the bathroom bill"? Can we be even a little concerned that such a bill could play a role in incidents like that? That maybe, just maybe, we could trust educators to decide what rules they need to put in place for their bathrooms rather than politicians who likely don't know the first ****ing thing about what's needed?

There’s also a basic failure of logic to conclude, simply because the article mentions Kevin Stitts name, that I am saying he should be legally held liable for murder. As governor he signed a harmful bathroom bill that is going to have continued negative consequences and cost lives. However, he was not the one who wrote and crafted the legislation. The oklahoma congress and the oklahoma senate voted for this bill. Nor is it the most harmful bill of its kind that has passed through state legislatures. People vote on bills that save or ruin lives all the time. One of dozens of horrible bills in regards to trans issues that passed last year that will ruin lives. Kevin Stitt is one of 100’s of politicians and lawyers involved in this legislation. So no, he’s not going to be arrested. That doesn’t mean these bills aren’t morally reprehensible.

It’s also just really weird reaction in general. You should be more concerned about the epidemic of murders and hate and less concerned with non existent legal issues of a politician.

I assume you are talking about this?

I don't think it can be called a mass shooting in the case we discuss here, maybe an attempted one? The woman was killed before she killed anyone iirc

Wait , wasn't the person a biological woman? But a very leftist antisemite one, so the story disappeared?

Elrazor, why do you think that’s a stretch in this case?

I suggest you check the story a little better as it's very unclear that it can be framed as "being targeted online and bullied because non binary", that part is simply, for now, totally unsubstantiated

https://ktul.com/news/local/very-negativ...

Incidentally that Caraballo person is the stereotypical, possible best example of everything I fight against in trans activism, a truly evil person, shouldn't ever take anything he says as true unless corroborated by third non activist parties

Anyway, here’s the article

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...

Nex died one day after a fight in a bathroom. A bathroom nex morally never should’ve been asked to enter.

There is also a completely unrelated murder of a trans person being tried as a federal hate crime today that resulted from someone being forced to use the wrong bathroom by insane new laws.

Because it only meets one of he three main criteria used in science to establish cause and effect; namely the cause happened before the effect.

However, it fails to meet the other two criteria; namely whenever the cause occurs, the effect occurs and there must not be alternative explanations for the effect.