The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
That seems like quite the leap you're making. Do you think there could be room for anything in between "Has he been arrested" and "is it possible the bullying is completely unrelated to the bathroom bill"? Can we be even a little concerned that such a bill could play a role in incidents like that? That maybe, just maybe, we could trust educators to decide what rules they need to put in place for their bathrooms rather than politicians who l
No, voters through their elected representatives should decide what happens in the public schools they fund, with the regard to everything from curricula to school rules of behavior and so on.
Educators working in a public school have to execute the will of their employers, IE the taxpayers.
We truly don't need to delegate to unelected "experts" any choice which has a political connotation or is based upon political preferences in any matter (ye that clearly includes healthcare as well and many other topics other than trans ness).
And in particular no we shouldn't trust any group which is extremely left leaning in it's composition, like teachers are
No, voters through their elected representatives should decide what happens in the public schools they fund, with the regard to everything from curricula to school rules of behavior and so on.
Educators working in a public school have to execute the will of their employers, IE the taxpayers.
We truly don't need to delegate to unelected "experts" any choice which has a political connotation or is based upon political preferences in any matter
Most taxpayers don’t support discrimination against trans people.
Anyway, here’s the article
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...
Nex died one day after a fight in a bathroom. A bathroom nex morally never should’ve been asked to enter.
Given we have no mention of the purported killers after what, 12 days? And police is waiting for autoptic results (isn't 12 days really a lot for that? Not sure), and it happened in a girl bathroom, I think we can infer something about who the people who beaten Nex were and why we still don't have any info on them, don't you?
Why are you so sure it was about trans ness?
I don't think it can be called a mass shooting in the case we discuss here, maybe an attempted one? The woman was killed before she killed anyone iirc
You're right about the church shooting not being a mass shooting. I think the usual cutoff is 4 people shot, not counting the shooter, and in this case it was one person hit by the shooter and then the off duty cops killed her and hit her son in the process. But my comment was more a general statement about the frequency of mass shootings in the US overall. Incredibly, using the 4 people shot standard we have had over 40 in 2024 so far. It's nuts.
Most people on the right don't consider that bill discriminating against trans people, nor Oklahoma taxpayers are a random sample of american taxpayers, they tend to be a lot more rightwing than the general population afaik.
And to be clear there is 0 connection between that bill and the death of this person as of now.
It's almost like the trans activists community is very very eager to draw completely unsubstantiated causal links to claim, as you did here as well, absurd things like a genocide is in the making
You're right about the church shooting not being a mass shooting. I think the usual cutoff is 4 people shot, not counting the shooter, and in this case it was one person hit by the shooter and then the off duty cops killed her and hit her son in the process. But my comment was more a general statement about the frequency of mass shootings in the US overall. Incredibly, using the 4 people shot standard we have had over 40 in 2024 so far. It'
Ye but gang warfare isn't usually counted as mass shooting in other countries either, in Europe at least we use that expression only if it's unrelated civilians being targeted in mass (and here that ofc is very rare, while in the USA it isn't).
Most people on the right don't consider that bill discriminating against trans people, nor Oklahoma taxpayers are a random sample of american taxpayers, they tend to be a lot more rightwing than the general population afaik.
And to be clear there is 0 connection between that bill and the death of this person as of now.
It's almost like the trans activists community is very very eager to draw completely unsubstantiated causal links to claim, a
setting the preconditions for a genocide and a genocide actually taking place are two different things.
There are many conservative tax payers including people donating millions to the republican party and conservative candidates who also don’t want discriminatory bills to be passed that harm trans people.
The actual cause of this death I cannot confirm, but I can say that nex was involved in a fight in a school bathroom, had been repeatedly bullied , and died the day after that altercation.
setting the preconditions for a genocide and a genocide actually taking place are two different things.
There are many conservative tax payers including people donating millions to the republican party and conservative candidates who also don’t want discriminatory bills to be passed that harm trans people.
The actual cause of this death I cannot confirm, but I can say that nex was involved in a fight in a school bathroom, had been repeatedl
Walk me through how and why being allowed to go in the boys bathroom would have decreased the chances of bullying and of having altercations.
Aren't boys usually far more violent than girls, and usually far more prone to violent bullying than girls?
Moreover given Nex identified as non binary (instead of the opposite sex), which bathroom would have applied in the world you would like to see?
Aren't you a little curious why we don't know anything about the people who have beaten Nex 12 days after the death? Doesn't it seem a little strange to you that Nex was in the hospital on the 7th, sent home, then died the day later (this smells of some egregious mistakes by the hospital)?
Why are you sure this is part of the anti trans genocide and not a death caused by medical malpractice (among various possibilities)?
Walk me through how and why being allowed to go in the boys bathroom would have decreased the chances of bullying and of having altercations.
Aren't boys usually far more violent than girls, and usually far more prone to violent bullying than girls?
Moreover given Nex identified as non binary (instead of the opposite sex), which bathroom would have applied in the world you would like to see?
Aren't you a little curious why we don't know anythi
Just too many weird and incorrect speculation here to address it all.
1.) People are often bullied for going into a bathroom that doesn’t match their gender. Most trans individuals have been peacefully going in bathrooms that match their gender identity for decades but these laws have made these children targets.
2.) I don’t think this death is necessarily part of a genocide. I never said there was a genocide. I think the setting of the preconditions for genocide is pretty self apparent at this point. I don’t think there will be a genocide in the end.
3.) of course I’m curious why we don’t know more. I have some pretty horrifying information about why I think that may be the case but I haven’t shared it because I can’t confirm it.
I think it's ridiculous that there are still same sex group restrooms with little privacy in schools. I have been to a few places that have all gender restrooms with individual stalls (with full doors, not large enough for more than one person to fit), and then an external area with sinks for anyone to use. The sink area could be public, or constantly monitored. Individual small restrooms, each with a small sink, would be fine as well. I understand this would be a bit more expensive, but would give everyone more privacy and make group beatdowns nearly impossible to happen. I don't like taking a dump while people walk right by a half door and peek under to see if anyone is really in there, no matter what the gender of the other person.
Just too many weird and incorrect speculation here to address it all.
1.) People are often bullied for going into a bathroom that doesn’t match their gender. Most trans individuals have been peacefully going in bathrooms that match their gender identity for decades but these laws have made these children targets.
2.) I don’t think this death is necessarily part of a genocide. I never said there was a genocide. I think the setting of the pr
1) there were no trans minors up until very recently, and certainly there weren't boys using girl bathrooms in high schools because they felt they were girls decades ago, I really don't understand what you mean.
2) the idea that if you are to use a bathroom used by people with your same genitals, that's a precondition to genocide, is so insane I don't know what else to say.
Bryce can you answer which bathroom non binary people supposedly should be allowed to use, if the world was as you would like it?
1) there were no trans minors up until very recently, and certainly there weren't boys using girl bathrooms in high schools because they felt they were girls decades ago, I really don't understand what you mean.
2) the idea that if you are to use a bathroom used by people with your same genitals, that's a precondition to genocide, is so insane I don't know what else to say.
Obviously the case for the preconditions of genocide being set involve a mountain of laws, rhetoric , discrimination, physical and emotional abuse, murders and actions and are not based on one thing.
Also, It’s pretty insane to act like there didn’t use to be transgender people when obviously that’s not the case.
Obviously the case for the preconditions of genocide being set involve a mountain of laws, rhetoric , discrimination, physical and emotional abuse, murders and actions and are not based on one thing.
Also, It’s pretty insane to act like there didn’t use to be transgender people when obviously that’s not the case.
I wrote transgender minors.
Obviously the bathroom of their choice rather than the bathroom based on banal laws attached to agab .
And that choice can be arbitrary day to day? And the non binary status is self determined and purely subjective right?
So in your model any person could identify as non binary and use both bathrooms basically depending how he feels that moment and no one could object?
And that choice can be arbitrary day to day? And the non binary status is self determined and purely subjective right?
So in your model any person could identify as non binary and use both bathrooms basically depending how he feels that moment and no one could object?
It’s not a choice, it’s innate
Obviously if transgender people exist as adults, they also existed as minors. That shouldn’t have to be explained. Also, the denial of a group’s existence is also a common precondition before a genocide.
ie “there’s no such thing as Ukrainians”
Transgenderism isn't a condition of "the soul" so no it's not obvious.
You are trans is after your body fully forms, your mind doesn't recognize it as the proper sex you think you are, constantly, for a long time.
You can't be trans definitionally (under the normal definition not the trans activists one) until you have experienced being in a fully formed adult body of a biological sex you end up not recognizing as the sex you feel to be.
And that choice can be arbitrary day to day? And the non binary status is self determined and purely subjective right?
So in your model any person could identify as non binary and use both bathrooms basically depending how he feels that moment and no one could object?
There shouldn't be bathrooms divided by sex at all! ARRRGH!!
how do you avoid everyone claiming to be non binary just to use the cleaner bathroom or that with a shorter queue?
You might believe being "non binary" (which has no meaning at all btw) to be an innate condition, but how do you judge if someone is telling the truth or not when you give advantages to people who are non binary, such as quotas in company boards or choice of bathroom?
