The costs of trans visibility

"bizzarre and discriminatory laws" that brings things back to where they were everywhere in the first world before all the "trans youth" stuff was invented.

Stop inventing BS and legislators wouldn't need to ban horrendous pseudo scientific medical practices with permanent terrible consequences from being used on minors.

Discriminatory to you. There's controversy attached to gender affirming care and while you may regard it as a rights issue, others see it as potentially harmful, regardless on whether you agree with them or not. Start using words like genocide and it'll backfire badly.

I'll take the blame for not fleshing that point out more, but it's not worth derailing over. Everyone would like to get back to that financial reality because it's just a nice thought to have, but in the last several years I see the whole, "X generation could afford all these ponies on a single income. Eat the rich!" trope echoed endlessly by lefties on an internet rampage. None of them of course want to acknowledge all the other things that came along with that life. Lower homeownership overall, much much much lower levels of education, a nuclear family where the breadwinner worked long and physically hard hours and was supported by a spouse actively tending the home and children, a significant decrease in creature comforts like indoor plumbing and iphones in exchange for stuff like outdoorsy leisure activities and the man of the house being on lime duty, etc.

So no, it's not a lefty-only thing, but they love to cherrypick and completely ignore the myriad parts they wouldn't have found appealing.

I half agree with you - things being called genocide are often thrown around lightly and perhaps that is a word that should indeed only be reserved for the true historical horrors that it is. Sure, granted. However, when faced with an endless barrage of anti-trans right wing attacks across the country that really have existence and trans people not being real centered in those narratives, I sort of get the emotional reaction as well. And even if you hate the emotional reaction here and the overstepping of using a word that only has some parallels of similarity and not being a perfect match, I just find this a much much smaller issue than the trans-denying vocabulary that's omnipresent anywhere trans people are being discussed on the internet. It just seems off place to worry about this. I dunno, that's just me.

it is not anti trans to ban minors from taking puberty blockers as it was the case everywhere in the world until very recently and still is the case in countries which have higher HDI than the USA and better healthcare outcomes.

how do you know that a gender fluid cisgender female would have preferred/been safer in the men's room?

You know what if someone devoted 95% of their posts ITT to supporting and uplifting trans people and trying to think of every way we can to help support trans youth in schools feel more welcomed and accepted - but then also wanted to ban hormone therapies for younger teens - then ok I'd be happy with that. What I don't like is when people find the point they feel most comfortable on and acting like that is all the entire anti-trans hate-o-sphere is all about.

I have a dental appointment , a hair appoin and a nail appointment today. About to become non terminally online. But no those concepts were not recently invented. bye heterosexual violence enabler rhetoric guy.

Sickening. Presumptive next PM of Canada wandered into the fray calling for banning trans women from female bathrooms. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poiliev.... We've seen it provincially in conservative provinces, but the anti-trans US style politicize everything with big government bans on social things they don't like has entered Canadian federal politics too.

Actually, most of these things are first proposed by your government and seem to leak down into the United States.

It's like we need some sort of barrier to stop this horde of bad ideas coming into our country through Canada.

you're welcome to make some sort of wall, and heck unlike Mexico probably Canada will agree to pay for about 70% of it just on the hope you will let us sell you lumber.

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Glad to see a Federal leader stand up for women's rights and a majority of the country if polled would agree with him . Better than the other guy mandating tampons in all federally mandated men's washrooms

He also said its a provincial and municipal issue not a federal one

lol

It's like saying beetlejuice three times, look who appears when you mention tampons in a men's room.

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I doubt that.

That's not bathrooms exactly just because I couldn't find a recent poll on that exact topic. US polls typically show majority supports trans people in the bathroom of their choice. For Canada an old 2016 one even then had only 22% support for a full ban.

But regardless, the point of this thread is about the costs of visibility of trans people. And this is one of those costs. I know there are lots of trans haters out there, you don't have to tell us. Its sad that there are many people out there like you that want to ban trans people from being visible in places like bathrooms. Sickening. But it isn't surprising that there are lots of such people, even if you are factually wrong about it being a majority.

Well, you're doing a poor job at whatever the goal is, just fyi.

I agree with you on the washrooms but in women's sports or locker room and showers nope. I have not seen a poll either I am just saying if we did poll a 1000 CDN's ....

Such language will antagonise others, who may not be transphobic but may have issues with gender affirmed care, trans females in sports, puberty blockers, shower rooms, etc. Issues that are at least debate worthy if not valid. People that trans activists or those concerned with transgender rights and dignity are trying to reach and get their point across to, will antagonise if they use such extremely loaded terms. In tone it's the same type of emotive arguments used by some on the IP thread, or irl on any number of issues. Such use of certain words as a form of emotional blackmail will only put people's backs up, as in people activists are trying to reach.

I don't think I can answer this without getting banned I already deleted 5 attempts to answer you

Banning puberty blockers isn't genocidal rethoric.

It's saving minors from drug induced sterility

it is terrible what happened to Benedict,
but I do not get what happened here.

how do you send your kid to school looking like that,( you cant tell if it is a boy or a girl. you literally cannot tell) and they go by "they"
how do you send your kid to school thinking they wont get bullied??
you have to know they get bullied.

secondly, the state has banned bathrooms for trans, which means everyone has to go to the bathroom of their birth sex.
so where did this take place? In the girls bathroom?

then it would mean that Benedict broke the rules by entering the wrong bathroom? and then got into an argument with 3 girls in the bathroom?
and there was another trans invilved in the fight? how many trans are there?? there should only be so many according to statistics, and yet there are so many.

here is an article, nowhere does it say: did they enter the right bathroom?

https://www.hrc.org/news/honoring-nex-be...

there is actually a lot of data saying that more trans get killed and harrassed. but you dont need data for that imo. gays and trans get atttacked and killed pretty much anywhere at a much higher rate of course, not only due to religious reasons.