Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I expect people that have been apart of this forum for a long time don't want to see the forum die. As somebody that has been active here for twenty years, I think you know that.
Don't want to see it die but when it was on the brink of being closed no one cared enough about it to actually volunteer to mod it.
It wasnt the idea that I should get laid that was the issue. It's referencing sex trafficked people as a part of a joke that is particularly offensive.
You live in Thailand. That is why the joke is funny. Things would probably be a lot easier if you didn't have this "you are not allowed to have fun at my expense" policy.
and he's expressly stated that such posts were fine because he does live in thailand and there are a lot of trafficked sex workers there so a comment about him being tangential to sex trafficking was reasonable
he's since tried covering his tracks as he deleted that and my initial post bringing it up but in the box of chocolates thread but you can find the breadcrumbs here where bobo responded to the initial post which is now gone
and he absolutely said insinuations like that were perfectly fine in his now deleted response
more inconsistency and gotcha games, perhaps where he really gets off is with needless banning and entrapment
he'll probably delete this too
rickroll,
You made a joke that got a chuckle out of at least one poster. I don't know that you really need or want to keep going with it in an unfunny way when Browser said he didn't like it.
rickroll,
You made a joke that got a chuckle out of at least one poster. I don't know that you really need or want to keep going with it in an unfunny way when Browser said he didn't like it.
i just want to point out that he expressly said those comments were fine previously, deleted that paper trail and now out of the blue says they are haram
i have no interest in making comments like that anymore, i just want to point out the shady things going on
and he's expressly stated that such posts were fine because he does live in thailand and there are a lot of trafficked sex workers there so a comment about him being tangential to sex trafficking was reasonable
he's since tried covering his tracks as he deleted that and my initial post bringing it up but in the box of chocolates thread but you can find the breadcrumbs here where bobo responded to the initial post which is now gone
and he ab
Rickroll- enough is enough. You are doing the same thing you did on another topic that ended up getting you banned for trolling. I didnt delete my response to your question. It's still there, post 2860, in the BOC thread where it has always been visible. And your characterization of my response is completely false. And the hypothetical you used in that thread is not analogous at all to your use of sex trafficked people in a joke involving me.
You made a very poor attempt at calling trolly stupid without violating the rules. You failed. But you just received a warning not a ban. And yet you are continuing to make **** up in a poor attempt to justify your poor attempt at skirting the rules.
indeed it is still there, clicking the link to bobo's response led to nowhere and search revealed nothing
Ther is no way at all that I would take that as some sort of personal attack on me calling me a sex trafficker or pedophile. Thailand is "full" of both; they are referred to as sexpats. But the term "full of" hardly means everyone in the country is one. If most countries have 1% and Thailand had 5% (totally made up numbers) then one could say Thailand was full of them. Context matters. That's exactly the kind of stretch I am talking about.
can you elaborate on why you changed your position and i'm no longer allowed to talk about that?
If you can't see a difference between stating a country he lives in is full of sex traffickers and suggesting he needs to go become a customer of people who've been sexually trafficked, you probably should be given a break from posting here.
indeed it is still there, clicking the link to bobo's response led to nowhere and search revealed nothing
can you elaborate on why you changed your position and i'm no longer allowed to talk about that?
Ok. For example, You state, during a discussion with me, that "Thailand is full of sex traffickers". That is a fact (lets ignore for now that "full of" is a non-precise term). I live in Thailand. But that statement about Thailand being full of sex traffickers does not, by itself, imply that because I live in Thailand that I am therefore a sex trafficker. So it is not a personal attack on me. It is not in any way calling me a sex trafficker. Simply stating the fact that Thailand has sex traffickers is not prohibited even though the sex trafficking trade is despicable.
But as with most phrases, context matters. Word form matters. Sex traffickers are the criminals. People who have been sex trafficked are the victims who have been horribly abused. People who "go experience people who have been sex trafficked..." are also criminals and despicable human beings who contribute to the nightmare that sex trafficked people live every day. So your "joke" saying I should go experience people who have been sex trafficked is offensive both as a personal insult and more importantly as a very inappropriate inclusion of the victims in a "joke". It in no way is analogous to the first example you originally asked about.
As for your comment about trolly, it doesnt even use the same structure as your initial Thailand question at all. You justcame right out and stated that trolly was too stupid... putting a "word on the street (whatever that was supposed to mean) in front doesnt change anything. The "I heard thailand is full of sex traffickers...browser lives in thailand" structure is no foul. But if you said "I heard browser is a sex trafficker in Thailand..." that's a clear foul, despite the "I heard" in front.
I hope you can appreciate the difference now between what I said was allowed and what you said, which is not. But I really can't spend anymore time rehashing this over ad over so Im going to have to move on from this.
To your credit, I doubt too many remember when you became a mod, when you "actively modded" or know/care about what you do now. The hallmark of your modding, whenever it was, was quiet adequateness. That's all everyone "so invested" in this wants. We're sorta getting the double negation of that now, which is why people are mildly raising concerns..... in a thread dedicated to modding issues.
To your credit, I doubt too many remember when you became a mod, when you "actively modded" or know/care about what you do now. The hallmark of your modding, whenever it was, was quiet adequateness. That's all everyone "so invested" in this wants. We're sorta getting the double negation of that now, which is why people are mildly raising concerns..... in a thread dedicated to modding issues.
I certainly wasn't implying that anyone on 2+2 cares what I do now, either on 2+2 or in my private life.
How come i don't see an atf thread? You guys are all talk
Right. I stated that we don't care. I guess you actively modded at one point and now are a mod by software privileges but are not active? Regardless, we don't care because you were fine whenever you modded and fine now. I certainly wasn't implying anything about your private life.
That's funny coming from you, the poster that incessantly whined and whined about a certain poster saying mean things to him and there not being enough moderation action.
Nobody serious is going to post on ATF. Browser keeps daring people to do that because he knows that there will be no action taken if we do so. You know how the police investigate their own members and find all sorts of blatantly illegal conduct to be justified? There is even less recourse here, as you can at least directly file a civil lawsuit yourself against a police officer that wronged you. Here there is nothing.
That's funny coming from you, the poster that incessantly whined and whined about a certain poster saying mean things to him and there not being enough moderation action.
Nobody serious is going to post on ATF. Browser keeps daring people to do that because he knows that there will be no action taken if we do so. You know how the police investigate their own members and find all sorts of blatantly illegal conduct to be justified? There
Just to be clear, the reason I suggest people go to ATF isnt because I think there would be a predetermined outcome in my favor. Rather, I think the heart of this conflict lies ultimately with the no personal attacks rule itself. And the only ones who can change that are the owners.
There are posters who have suggested that mods should ignore the insults because it's done to enhance a sense of community. And those who feel that insulting other posters and calling them names is part and parcel of discussing politics and so should be allowed here, even if not site wide. There are plenty of sites that allow those types of discussions. At the time being though, this site isnt one of them.
That's not by accident. The owners discussed the issue of standards for postings extensively with management and mods before approving the set of rules and guidelines for posting on this site. Those rules reflect their vision for the website. Mods are here to help ensure those rules are followed. It's impossible for mods to keep visibility on things like if poster A calls poster B a racist it's OK because they are friends and he is kidding but if he calls poster C the same thing he really is trying to attack him.
There will always be differences in moderation decisions because there is a lot of gray areas and judgement calls involved. The amount of time various mods have to devote to reading threads varies greatly. And a posters history plays a big role in the level of action taken. That's why simply looking at the last post a person made before a ban gives a false picture of what led to the decision.
If posters simply treated each other with respect as the site rules call for 90% of the bans and drama in this forum would disappear. Disagreement is not disrespect. I believe everyone knows, at least 95% of the time, when they are being disrespectful to another poster personally. They know exactly what they are doing when they call another poster a racist, a transphobe, a ****ing moron, too stupid to comprehend, etc. and they know they are breaking the rules.
So these types of posts arent about wandering into gray areas. They are just willful disregarding of the rules. They are deliberately targeting other posters with personal attacks. Then they are shocked, shocked when warned or banned by a mod. That belief that the site rules are wrong and therefore dont need to be followed is at the heart of almost all violations requiring mod action. That's why this issue will never be resolved unless posters seek policy changes from the owners or decide to abide by the rules.
Browser, you have been around here for a long time. Can you name one mod that was removed due to a thread in ATF?
Over the course of a decade there were like a dozen threads in ATF about Rapini's blatant abuse of his mod powers on this site. People would post in ATF because Rapini would tell that poster to STFU and go post in ATF if they didn't like it. All those threads did was have all the mods come together and mock users for their obvious inferiority. It was not until Rapini got caught red-handed doing something way over the line that there was any action by the owners of this site to remove him as a mod, and that was not because of a thread in ATF. Even after the guy got caught abusing mod powers to dox another user, lied about it, and was booted from being a mod, the rest of the mods still defended him. That is the place you think we should go air our grievances?
Every time you tell us to STFU and go to ATF if we don't like it, is a time you are telling us that you don't give a crap about any of the users' input here. Every single reg here knows that going to ATF to whine is a complete waste of time. You certainly don't have to give a **** about this site or the complaints of long time users. Still, don't think you are being clever with your "go tell the owners to fire me" shtick you keep repeating over and over again.
Browser, you have been around here for a long time. Can you name one mod that was removed due to a thread in ATF?
Over the course of a decade there were like a dozen threads in ATF about Rapini's blatant abuse of his mod powers on this site. People would post in ATF because Rapini would tell that poster to STFU and go post in ATF if they didn't like it. All those threads did was have all the mods come together and mock users for their ob
100% this and it's patently dishonest to pretend otherwise, it's just an indirect way of saying gfy
my goodness so much complaining. Was I as bad as you lot in my pre-retirement days? It's unbecoming.
how embarrassing!
Browser, you have been around here for a long time. Can you name one mod that was removed due to a thread in ATF?
Over the course of a decade there were like a dozen threads in ATF about Rapini's blatant abuse of his mod powers on this site. People would post in ATF because Rapini would tell that poster to STFU and go post in ATF if they didn't like it. All those threads did was have all the mods come together and mock users for their ob
Is this the same reasoning you guys use for complaining in here about posts rather than reporting the offending posts through proper channels?
Calm down
