The costs of trans visibility

Yes - unfortunately I have a very low sample size (1), but the teen I know who uses alternate pronouns has a mother who is hoping it's just a phase. Anecdotal to be sure, but I doubt anyone here has more contact with teens using alternate pronouns than I do.

I only started commenting the case when it became prominent and many things didn't smell right (to be fair I thought a cover up of a medical malpractice combined with an actual beating made more sense ).

What we were being told didn't make any sense, and I was right about that, as the entire narrative collapsed , media lied obscenely in a confused way.

I probably win on breadth given I teach 500-1k 1st year uni students a year. But most of those don't have depth.

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....if you don't agree with a basic rule (that worked for all countries in the world for all human history since we startvhaving bathrooms) , stating that people with a dick all piss in the dick-having bathroom, is just lol.[/QUOTE]

I don't know where you get this. My owners suite has a toilet closest we share, my brother's new house has separate toilets in the owners bathroom for husband and wife. My house has a jack and jill bathroom, shared by kids of the opposite sex. Growing up, I shared a bathroom with sisters and my college dorm had a coed bathroom in the early 90s. I would agree that most public bathrooms were male/female but with the influx of family bathrooms and single use bathrooms, I doubt that is still the norm.

Seems like you are ridiculously more worried about the bathroom types than any other poster.

Which *schools* had bathrooms that didn't go with biological sex?

The rule is for SCHOOLS

Interesting, because my experience has been that gender-neutral bathrooms have been coming into schools for several years now in our area, and that's been working just fine.

nice strawman

I guess I missed your limitation of "school bathrooms" when that you were talking about a rule "that worked for all countries in the world for all human history since we startvhaving bathrooms."

I certainly don't know exactly what you were talking about because of the typos, but limited to schools, yeah I missed that.

That's a lot of kids. Do you have to memorize their pronouns?

I don’t have to do anything. But I do give all my students a survey asking them what they would like me to call them, their pronouns, anything else they would like to tell me etc. I usually don’t end up memorizing everyone in my big classes but do in my small ones. Quite a lot of kids these days say “anything” or “don’t care” or “whatever you like” type responses but ya I try to learn pronouns along with names.

Good to hear there's still some hope for the young generation.

Heh heh, the mayor belongs to the 'PP party'.

we are talking a law about school bathrooms, we are talking a death of a student blamed on that law for 100+ posts, I wrote that the claim of supporting "trans kids" by opposing that legislation is non sense, your answer was "but families share bathrooms"

and it worked fine before as well

Trans kids most certainly exist. You're not genderless before puberty.

I don't think that anywhere in the US actually had a law about which bathroom you had to use before people started panicking about trans people. Do other countries have laws like this?

Do you think gender happens at conception?

A nice strawman argument.
Again, I admit that it was very hard to make sense of that sentence because of the obvious typos but your worldwide "have a dick" rule for bathrooms has never existed in reality. Not with college kids sharing coed bathrooms or the typical Starbucks bathroom setup. No "have a dick" rule either in people's own homes. That was my point.

Oklahoma is a battleground for lgbt issues because of a series of laws that passed, the education leaders stance on the issues and the hiring of a out of state right wing YouTuber to a position with the school board and this instance of expected fallout from codifying bathroom use. If you are looking for whether people support the "have a dick" bathroom laws or rather accepting others differences, then public support exhibited here for the family shows you are clearly in the minority with your opinions.

Had Nex used a male rest room, they may well have been bullied/picked on by dudes. I agree with you re coed bathrooms, which have been around for quite some time with no detrimental effects on society, but for a non binary person, either restroom would be potentially fraught.

Lol because the media lied incessantly for 2 + weeks telling them a poor girl had been savagely beaten by bullies, which ofc is going to engenerate emphaty.

Are you really using the public support generated by the lies to prove that the lies were appropriate?

Luciom, your posts have made republicans and conservatives very uncomfortable in a number of threads. I don’t personally have anything against this 👍

I, for one, thank you for owning the right with your satirical posts.

I am neither a republican nor a conservative so i am not sure why either group should be "very uncomfortable" if i say something they disagree with, they can just criticize me.

The bathroom issue isn't the "irrelevant" topic you guys try to make, it's a core issue because it touches the core claims of gender theory.

Mixed bathrooms can be a practical solution but that's completly orthogonal to the topic.

The topic is that if as a society for whatever reasons we want men-only and/or women-only places, then where do the trans go?

Trans activists claim that's gender-segregation, gender is fully subjective, then trans people can choose.

We claim we want some spaces segregated by SEX, sex isn't subjective, trans people go in their biological sex group no matter what gender they think they are.

While bathrooms are fixable with mixed ones (if we end up wanting to remove a safe space for women, which i am not sure is appropriate, but let's say it can be done), other places aren't the same.

Places where women victim of rape want to meet among women-only for example. They don't want biological men around. And for me they have a right to exclude them from those places. For trans activists that's unacceptable because "a trans woman is a woman" is core doctrine.

So we aren't talking small issues which could be fixed otherwise. We are talking about wheter society should accept gender theory as truth *and force it by law upon every resident in the country*, like trans activists want to, or if allowing someone to self identify as trans should never, in any occasion, force anything upon third parties, as I and many other people think.

Aren't these bathrooms places where the toilets are in individual little rooms that lock. And then the sinks are in a very open area? Much different than stalls that offer little privacy and urinals lined up against the wall.

Obviously since you’re neither a conservative or a republican that increases the effectiveness in regards to your views making them uncomfortable; you have an original position as a libertarian that most conservatives don’t understand.

What you don’t seem to understand in your vicious takedowns of those with more conservative views is that they are concerned with the safety of children, not just gender theory. Those are legitimate concerns.

The atmosphere that tying bathrooms specifically to gender assigned at birth and the reasons given create a hostile environment for everyone, including the increasing number of cisgender women accused of being trans. We have never done this before and it has had a lot of negative consequences.