The costs of trans visibility

Some here may have had a difficult time living in the open bay barracks of years past. Imagine each sink, urinal and toilet in use and the latrine packed with other soldiers waiting to use them.

I recall one guy saying that he had never taken a **** in public until he joined the Army. 😀

I'd suggest that a transphobe quivering at the thought of a trans person being in their bathroom should maybe try a bit more soul searching. This isn't zero sum. Trans people can use the bathroom of their gender and the rest of can be harmed precisely zero by this.

again, you're thinking of the .01% of the population who is victimized by this and not the general population of women who don't want sexual predators using that loophole in order to have carte blanche to engage in nefarious activity - something that is well documented to occur

but sure, just tell yourself it's written by evil people looking to go after trans people and force them to stand up to pee - the economy of your imagination would collapse if there weren't anymore crows driving up demand for farmers to buy all the strawmen you produce en masse

This is quite something here. Impressive.

No it’s about protecting children and women’s rights

Maybe I will start a poll, you first: Do you enjoy other guys looking at your schlong while you pee?

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Some here may have had a difficult time living in the open bay barracks of years past. Imagine each sink, urinal and toilet in use and the latrine packed with other soldiers waiting to use them.

I recall one guy saying that he had never taken a **** in public until he joined the Army. 😀

Not surprising, as it is often a goal of military units to dehumanize its members.

Can we maybe not imply trans people are mentally ill? Please?

Most people get over this at the age of about 7.

So you mean they enjoy it until they're 7?

I mean it's a thing that people accept as a fact of life.

Yeah I know, and I have used a urinal countless times. I still would prefer to do my business in private. And anyone who prefers to do it with others watching and enjoys watching others is suspect in my book.

i often think he only wants to be a mod to relive and pass down unprocessed trauma he experienced onto the rest of us

The image is of a transgender man. Some states have passed laws that make it a crime for him to go into a mens restroom. By law, he must use the womens restroom. So cis women are expected to see someone who looks like that in a restroom and just accept it. It's the law.

Do you think that law is protecting women from sexual predators? Hardly. It actually makes it much easier for cis male predators to openly enter a womens restroom because the law requires trans men who look just like cis men to be in there. The law actually provides a cis man sexual predator the perfect cover for being in a womens restroom.

The other absurdity of these laws is the idea that women are more at risk for sexual assault without the "protection" of these laws. To provide protection it would mean that a cis man planning on following a woman into a womans restroom and raping I her despite the severe criminal penalties involved, would somehow be deterred by the sign over the door that said woman. He's fine with breaking the law about rape, but wouldnt dream of breaking the law about which bathroom to use.

I wonder if in the states that passed these laws had a single case of a trans woman attacking a cis woman in a womans restroom. Im pretty sure they had cases of cis men doing just that. And they pass laws that make it easier for them to do that.

Since there is also this bathroom/cross cultural discussion taking place: one thing that's nice about Colombia is that people have zero qualms about taking a piss on the side of the road. There don't appear to be any sort of public urination laws here. People aren't just pissing everywhere but if you have to go then go find a spot.

I asked you verbatim which bathroom a non binary person should be allowed to choose, you said any.

And you know there are non binary fluid people who feel different genders at different times so you want them to be able to choose the bathroom every time.

And as a reminder, it's fully 100% subjective so they can always decide and no one can object

Actually it's to dehumanize the opposing forces so you don't mind killing them. But these latrines were simply designed to get as many people through as possible in a short amount of time using the least amount of space.

That would take a while to get used to

Obviously this is the case, since the trauma experienced by having an internet forum post deleted or being prevented from accessing the forum for 3 days is very similar to the traumas I and other soldiers experienced in the Army. Really, I'm in awe at how well some of you can bounce back from it as if the life altering event had never even happened.

Some others, though, don't handle it as well.

again, there's always going to be collateral damage in any law or policy

but there are going to be exponentially more people who are protected from being attacked by sexual predators who just don a tiara than trans people who are unfairly discriminated by those rules

there's a long history of sexual predators using the trans loophole to do terrible things and these laws about preventing that, not about regulating who must stand or sit while peeing

I don't think the sexual predator topic is a useful one because actual predators would simply disregard laws and, you know, assault their victims anyway.

It's more about women not having a safe space. Strangers are dangerous in big cities , airports and places like that, men are more dangerous than women, women among themselves can feel safer.

And men are far messier and care about hygiene a lot less, also because they risk infections less in bathrooms only having to sit for solid.

Ever if close to no actual danger is prevented, just having women (half the population) feel safer is far more important socially than having trans people feel affirmed (0.1%) which is something we shouldn't actually do in the first place.

It's about denying gender theory in the law.

It's about taking the claim of "trans women are women" (and the same for men) as the absurd claim it is and clarifying that no, trans women aren't women.

They are men who feel they are women. And society has no obligation to treat them as women, as they aren't women.

I do not now, nor have I ever, cared about anyone watching me pee.

Holy strawman, Batman!

You criminalize rape to be able to throw the key when you get the rapist, but it's not like people abusing bathroom access go to jail even under the new recent laws so I don't see the point.

Anyway whatever the reasons, people with dicks shouldn't enter women-only bathrooms if those exist