Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Dunyain P

30,000 dead Palestinians (allegedly) and counting, the entire city state of Gaza in ruins, and you are bragging over some Stone Age raid on kibbutzes that started it all, like it is something to be proud of.

With friends like you, who needs enemies.

Nice pivot. But the point was that Gaza is not entirely Islamic as you repeatedly falsely claim.


Man there are some sick sick people in here. In public most zionist at least pretend like they aren't just hateful people pushing for a genocide but yeah that veneer has gotten thin.

But in here its pretty much yeah we do a genocide but i dont want you to call it a genocide also they had it coming.

pretty dark and nasty stuff.

by Dunyain P

Do you think it is helpful for Palestinians to have western "allies" such as yourself that criticize Israel and its supporters, but are completely supportive of their suicidal, nihilistic actions?

I dont. I think that is how this continues indefinitely and nothing gets better. The last thing Palestinians need is empathy from people that just support antisocial behavior that ensures their condition never improves.

by Dunyain P

Well, in that case I would suggest a change in strategy.

I suggest they give back all the hostages, disavow Hamas, forsake violence, recognize the state of Israel with minimum 1967 borders with a pledge towards good faith negotiations to work out exact borders and reparation package for lost land, and some other details I am probably leaving out.

If they actually did all these things, I predict much better results than the current strategy.

If you would just bend the knee to every of my demands i might not have to murder you.

Got it. Maybe they could also nicely line up at a wall to be shot while they are at it?

How can you even suggest cooperation when we see exactly where cooperation gets Palestinians?

So they can trade the open fast genocide bullet by bullet to the slow suffocation in the west bank? How is that a trade off that looks enticing to anyone?


by donjonnie P

Man there are some sick sick people in here. In public most zionist at least pretend like they aren't just hateful people pushing for a genocide but yeah that veneer has gotten thin.

But in here its pretty much yeah we do a genocide but i dont want you to call it a genocide also they had it coming.

pretty dark and nasty stuff.

If you would just bend the knee to every of my demands i might not have to murder you.

Got it. Maybe they could also n

ya its pretty sick

as to bolded, well it depends on Western zionists or Israeli Zionists. the Israels just come right out and say they are gonna do genocide and celebrate it.


by browser2920 P

Im not a supporter of any protesters who disrupt a speaker at a speaking event, whether it's a Trump rally, a Biden speech, or an event such as this one. Im fine with those who protest outside the event to express their disapproval.

My point was that the description that was posted falsely portrayed what happened, as the video clearly shows, and is inflammatory. Interestingly the reason I looked this up was because given the description of

I saw it on a page and saw videos but it could be this event and the poster may have exaggerated


by Dunyain P

You would be ok with "right wing" protesting outside a mosque to express their disapproval if an influential Muslim lawyer was speaking to a congregation?

I realize progressives protesting outside Christian churches is commonplace, but I actually think this happening at a synagogue is a recent development, and not something we would have seen even a couple years ago. I feel like this signifies that (whether they like it or not) Jews have be

They were inside the synagogue not outside


by donjonnie P

Man there are some sick sick people in here. In public most zionist at least pretend like they aren't just hateful people pushing for a genocide but yeah that veneer has gotten thin.

But in here its pretty much yeah we do a genocide but i dont want you to call it a genocide also they had it coming.

pretty dark and nasty stuff.

If you would just bend the knee to every of my demands i might not have to murder you.

Got it. Maybe they could also n

At least most people admit Israel is responding to oct 7 attack. People in here just be like "israel be genociding for kicks" and are ignoring the hostages and the attack

Am i doing it right?


sick stuff

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had been following that guy for awhile. he will probably starve to death soon if the Israelis dont track his phone first.


by Victor P

sick stuff

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Victor pls put graphic images in spoilers with a warning as to content. Thanks


by metsandfinsfan P

I saw it on a page and saw videos but it could be this event and the poster may have exaggerated

They were inside the synagogue not outside

Yeah. But I feel even protesting outside a synagogue is something that would have been seen as verboten by the left a couple years ago. If you had said a group was outside a synagogue creating trouble you would assume it was some sort of right wing group. Now one would assume it was some combination of progressives/Muslims/Jewish cults and probably be correct.

Obviously taking it inside and troublemaking to the point police have to get involved is shifting the Overton Window even further.


by Victor P

Nice pivot. But the point was that Gaza is not entirely Islamic as you repeatedly falsely claim.

LOL. Dude, the people raiding Kibbutzes and firing rockets into Israel are not your Komrades. They aren't trying to take it back to 1920 AD, they are trying to take it back to 720 AD. I know you want it to be one way, but it aint that way.


by browser2920 P

That absolutely is not an accurate description of what happened.

Absolutely shocked Mets would editorialize to the point of total inaccuracy. All my flabbers are gasted.


by metsandfinsfan P

In temple Emanuel in miami, pro hamas supported stormed into the synagogue during services and had to be restrained

Barely made the news.

Yeah um Pro-Palestine != Pro-Hamas, the story did make the news, and also Alan Dershowitz molests children.


by Crossnerd P

Absolutely shocked Mets would editorialize to the point of total inaccuracy. All my flabbers are gasted.

notice how he uses "pro Hamas " , and "stormed", he will justify it of course


by Dunyain P

LOL. Dude, the people raiding Kibbutzes and firing rockets into Israel are not your Komrades. They aren't trying to take it back to 1920 AD, they are trying to take it back to 720 AD. I know you want it to be one way, but it aint that way.

never said they were my Komerarararaders. just said that a large portion of the population and resistance is not Mooslem let alone fundamentalist.


3 of the groups listed here are avowed secular


People are lolling mets while thinking it's okay to go into a synogauge to protest

Imagine jews protesting inside a mosque

The outrage would be insane

But if all you got out of it is lol mets you keep doing you



by metsandfinsfan P

People are lolling mets while thinking it's okay to go into a synogauge to protest

Imagine jews protesting inside a mosque

The outrage would be insane

But if all you got out of it is lol mets you keep doing you

You think it’s ok to murder and starve the innocent people of Palestine

Please tell us more about the ethics of trespassing


by PointlessWords P

You think it’s ok to murder and starve the innocent people of Palestine

Please tell us more about the ethics of trespassing

Gaza is the location of Hamas, an international terrorist organization with hostages, launching attacks at Israel.

Miami is the location of....the Heat and Pit Bull?


One of these things is definitely not like the other, and irrelevant to the conflict.


by metsandfinsfan P

People are lolling mets while thinking it's okay to go into a synogauge to protest

Imagine jews protesting inside a mosque

The outrage would be insane

But if all you got out of it is lol mets you keep doing you

they were protesting Alan Dershowitz, not the synagogue.


by rafiki P

Gaza is the location of Hamas, an international terrorist organization with hostages, launching attacks at Israel.

Miami is the location of....the Heat and Pit Bull?


One of these things is definitely not like the other, and irrelevant to the conflict.

Do you think these things are bad because they kill innocent people?




"Oh Rascal Children Of Gaza" by Khaled Juma


by PointlessWords P

Do you think these things are bad because they kill innocent people?

Yeah if I'm honest I've never liked the Heat or Pit Bull. Bad is probably fair. But they aren't deadly.


Every year Israeli police storm Al-Aqsa mosque in riot gear and kill or injure people, including women and children. The last two years have been during Ramadan after far-right Jewish groups threatened to desecrate the compound with ritual animal sacrifice. These repeat violations have been cited as one of the reasons for Oct 7th attack.

But anyway, yes, just imagine the outrage etc.


by Victor P

Nice pivot. But the point was that Gaza is not entirely Islamic as you repeatedly falsely claim.

There are only about 1,000 Christians remaining in Gaza, compared to 3,000 just before Hamas took over (when some very nasty Islamist terrorist attacks on Christians took place). The IDF have killed about 20 Gazan Christians in a church compound, including by tank fire, and not even the IDF seem to regard the troops' excuses as satisfactory, but it doesn't look like Hamas-ruled Gaza was a good place for Christians to be.


by metsandfinsfan P

People are lolling mets while thinking it's okay to go into a synogauge to protest

Imagine jews protesting inside a mosque

The outrage would be insane

But if all you got out of it is lol mets you keep doing you

The protesters appear to have been South Floridian Jews, who bought tickets to the synagogue event in order to protest.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c...


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