Israel/Palestine thread
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but this was PW premise and I dont ever see it happening so I am not really going to argue its feasibility bc I dont think GenocideJoe would ever allow his admin to do such a thing. Biden really likes when Israel does murder.
And one day, by imperial decree of his Dankness, they were gone.
Who would our next oppressors be?
And queer has a non-pejorative definition. Maybe clown does, too
Speed ahead in the conversation
this is not what is happening. almost no aid is getting into Gaza and when it does the Israelis are shooting at the recipients. there was another massacre today.
As what you quoted says, we are currently seeing this play out. Israel is saying it is UN's fault, USA is calling BS. USA has now begun air dropping food in and Biden is blaming Israel for the humanitarian crisis.
“We’re going to insist that Israel facilitate more trucks and more routes to get more and more people the help they need,” President Biden said Friday as he announced the aid drops. “No excuses, because the truth is, aid flowing to Gaza is nowhere nearly enough.”
This was after weeks of Biden telling Bibi that aid needs to get in. Israel finally tried it, it had awful results because of the desperation there caused by Israel not allowing aid in for weeks. Israel likely went back to Biden saying "See it can't be done!" and Biden called BS again. As Rafiki's article show, Israel will be trying again after learning from the failure of the stampede.
Israel is doing this because of pressure from USA. Israel is not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. (You obviously wouldn't argue that because you think they are conducting a genocide.)
And in no way telling. Your pathetic, snide camaraderie with vic was due a little egodeath
Hamas demands are well known. Essentially they want a cessation of hostilities and the population to return to their homes.
So Hamas's (alleged) goal at this point is a return to October 6th, except with Gaza destroyed? Seems this is a pretty big mea culpa October 7th wasn't a very good idea.
Even taking this at face value (LOL), do you think Israel is being unreasonable asking Hamas to identify the hostages and their condition?
Or should Israel just accede to Hamas demands, evacuate Gaza, unilaterally secede hostilities, release all the Palestinian prisoners, and then just accept whatever Hamas is willing to give them in the form of Israeli hostages?
So Hamas's (alleged) goal at this point is a return to October 6th, except with Gaza destroyed? Seems this is a pretty big mea culpa October 7th wasn't a very good idea.
Even taking this at face value (LOL), do you think Israel is being unreasonable asking Hamas to identify the hostages and their condition?
Or should Israel just accede to Hamas demands, evacuate Gaza, unilaterally secede hostilities, release all the Palestinian prisoners,
Hamas's demands are human rights for the civilians. they have expressed this many times. at one point they even said that they strongly desired a cease fire bc Israel was killing their families. (this is a weird thing to say for a death cult as many on this board have described them).
I have said many times that I will not disparage the resistance nor will I proclaim how they should resist.
I think it is very reasonable for Israel to demand the names of the hostages still alive that have not been bombed, shot, or gassed by Israel. but I dont think it should factor into if Israel should stop murdering civilians. both of those things should happen independent of each other.
In the post directly after that I bring up the original question we were replying to and explain how what the question you refuse to answer is THE important factor to the discussion. Feel free to now answer the question. PW answered for you: send unarmed paratroopers into Gaza (apparently not by jumping, even though they're paratroopers) in order to ???? and get aid in. If you have a more realistic answer feel free to state it, otherwise I'
He 82nd is americas only(?) paratrooper unit and has a very famous history. They keep one brigade(maybe more) available to deploy anywhere in the world in 24hrs. They don’t necessarily have to drop in lol. They only do that for PR anyhow.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/...
-So despite it being 4+ generations since The Nakbar, Palestianians literally want to remain forever refugees to strengthen their case for a right of return; and are worried UNRWA losing its funding will impact this.
I will say if there was ever a case for disbanding UNRWA, and finding some other avenue to provide aid, this is it. The sooner Palestianians join Planet Reality and realize there will be no return, and they need to move on with their lives (either in West Bank/Gaza or somewhere else) the better it will be for everyone.
4+ generations, and demanding to live as refugees on the US taxpayer dime for some incoherent vision of return to some piece of land that 15 million other people have been living on for 80+ years and is probably a strip mall or used car lot now anyways. I will say no one is doing the Palestinian people any favors by providing perverse incentives for this kind of belief structure.
Hamas's demands are human rights for the civilians. they have expressed this many times. at one point they even said that they strongly desired a cease fire bc Israel was killing their families. (this is a weird thing to say for a death cult as many on this board have described them).
I have said many times that I will not disparage the resistance nor will I proclaim how they should resist.
I think it is very reasonable for Israel to dem
So Israel should just do what Hamas tells them to do because it is the right thing. And if they dont actually get their hostages back in return, or even any knowledge of their condition, "well, them's the breaks."
And as legitimate resistance to the illegal state of Israel, Hamas does not have any moral obligation to do anything it doesn't wish to. Correct?
I know to a lot of you they aren't real Americans because they are Jews, but you do realize that Hamas is holding American's hostage, and refusing to divulge their condition. Should this factor at all into how we approach the situation?
It does seem kind of bizarre to argue we should be working against the side trying to free American hostages, in favor of the side that is keeping them (and refusing to divulge their condition), in clear violation of who knows how many human rights laws.
I know to a lot of you they aren't real Americans because they are Jews, but you do realize that Hamas is holding American's hostage, and refusing to divulge their condition. Should this factor at all into how we approach the situation?
It does seem kind of bizarre to argue we should be working against the side trying to free American hostages, in favor of the side that is keeping them (and refusing to divulge their condition), in clear v
Israel is holding quite a few Americans as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JewishR...
--Given how few people were around in the Levant back then, it is actually very under-rated just how (relatively) big a Holocaust Rome's genocide against the Jews was. And it is definitely an interesting counter-factual how things may have turned out if this didn't happen. There is definitely an alternate reality where the Levant, and possibly the entire Arab world, ends up Jewish instead of Muslim. Although given the similarities between Orthodox Judaism and Islam, things might not actually look too different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Rom...
--Given how few people were around in the Levant back then, it is actually very under-rated just how (relatively) big a Holocaust Rome's genocide against the Jews was. And it is definitely an interesting counter-factual how things may have turned out if this didn't happen. There is definitely an alternate reality where the Levant, and possibly the entire Arab world, ends up Jewish instead of
Is it ok to commit a genocide to potentially avoid a holocaust
philosoraptor
And the Israelis: jew, arab, Christian, etc.. Interesting how that's not the case in Arab nations.
You and I, meanwhile, can continue with our worthless theories, or post less and do something constructive.
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