Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Simplerick has been permabanned for multiple posts stating that all transgender people are mentally ill. The decision to permabanned was based on the context of his remarks, and his mod action history, including that he had a previous account permabanned.
this is not at all what he said, he very clearly said that some of them are not experiencing gender dysphoria and it is the result of mental illness
which is not at all controversial let alone a "hot take"
this is garbage
I'm not threatening to self ban. I'm saying that gender is social construction and Browser is saying that that isn't allowed. So I expect him to ban me.
Meh. I have found even good mods have their honeypot issues you just have to accept you aren't going to get a fair shake on it. For example, as generally reasonable as he was, I remember WN had no tolerance for you pointing out the historical link between the abortion movement and racial eugenics practices.
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
Meh. I have found even good mods have their honeypot issues you just have to accept you aren't going to get a fair shake on it. For example, as generally reasonable as he was, I remember WN had no tolerance for you pointing out the historical link between the abortion movement and racial eugenics practices.
Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
Which is ridiculous given Margaret Sanger was an avowed eugenicist but fair point.
Oi Nutella,
Espero que todo seja bem pra vc.
Free Nutella please. And yeah Nutella could definitely be grating and him and I certainly didn't always (or usually) agree but he seemed pretty ok and was a good poster who didn't deserve to be banned. I never understood what happened there.
All is great ty, adding to my family in a few weeks and heading back to Rio. He doesn't need to free me bc I simply cannot post content while he is a mod. Hope you're well too
I am well. I spent a couple months in Maceió over the summer. It was nice. Back in Colombia now. Congrats on the addition.
this is not at all what he said, he very clearly said that some of them are not experiencing gender dysphoria and it is the result of mental illness
which is not at all controversial let alone a "hot take"
this is garbage
Here are parts of his posts. If you don't think they represent as clear and deliberate violations of the rules as possible, I really just dont know what to say.
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That's another thing that those who believe in transgenderism fail to realize or admit. Some transgender people are just crazy and not really trans. Mental illness manifests itself in every single form. We can all agree the trans blind lady is mentally ill (I hope). A case in which a psychologist poured a chemical solvent into her eyes to actually blind her so she could conform to her mental illness. Some people think they're dead and
You're enforcing your world view on the forums. Transgender people are mentally ill and delusional. Or should I say that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder as classified by the DSM-V? What's next, ban the dictionary?
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So temp ban me if you must, or just realize that your rules are ideologically motivated and should not be enforced.
that does add context but i see no hate in those deleted posts
you're pushing your own subjective agendas onto others
you know who else did that?
Spoiler
Charlie Chaplin?
correct
this guy as well
Spoiler
lol
Bowser whenever you guys keep throwing complaints at him.
I'm not threatening to self ban. I'm saying that gender is social construction and Browser is saying that that isn't allowed. So I expect him to ban me.
I don't know why you keep saying that. Gender is a social construct. That doesn't mean it isn't real. Like most social constructs it is very real and has a very real impact on one's life.
I don't know why you keep saying that. Gender is a social construct. That doesn't mean it isn't real. Like most social constructs it is very real and has a very real impact on one's life.
If it's a social construct, how can you have a gender identity in your brain? The two ideas seem contradictory to me.
If it's a social construct, how can you have a gender identity in your brain? The two ideas seem contradictory to me.
Every idea a person has, every sense of themselves, resides in the brain. If you ask someone to describe themselves, and they say things like I'm honest, trustworthy, married, dependable, rich, poor, etc, those are social constructs. If someone says they are very masculine, or feminine, those are social constructs.
Think of a phrase like "he's a mans man". That's not describing some aspect of maleness that is determined by DNA. It usually is used to describe the characteristics that a particular society expects men to act like. It's about gender roles.
But married, rich, and poor don't have anything to do with someone's brain, those are objective qualities. Honest, trustworthy, dependable, masculine, or feminine do have to do with the brain, but they can all be better judged by others than by an individual claiming to have those traits. I'm sure you think that "trans" is best determined by the individual, but none of these qualities you give are similarly best determined by the individual. I have no sense of being masculine, and I don't even know where others would likely place me in terms of masculinity.
Which one of the following possible answers is more accurate:
A. Race is a biological concept and when europeans enslaved African Americans this was done on the basis of biology.
B. European colonists socially constructed ideas that African Americans were inferior to Europeans to justify enslaving millions of people.
C. Racism isn’t real.
The more you study this the more you realize option b is the reality. That is why no one teaches race science in the west anymore- because it’s not true. But equally dumb is the idea that racism didn’t happen as a result of a european social construction. Furthermore, drawing conclusions from A or C is so incorrect that it leads to garbage in garbage out everytime.
Similarly, Chinese students are not better at math than students from Burundi based on biology. However, Chinese students are better than students from Burundi in math on average. That can be and has been tested. Both of those things are true at the same time.
When you start drawing conclusions based on the “biology” of gender rather than the reality of gender you end up with some really bizarre and terrible conclusions, just like the race scientists of 19th century.
