The costs of trans visibility

No, its kids who don't even have fully formed brains yet deciding they're 'trans' to become heroes in the choir department.

A more compelling case is that 'rapid onset gender dysphoria' has zero actual medical or psychological basis and is just apologetics for advancing 'new discoveries in gender science', at the cost of emotionally vulnerable kids who take extreme measures to distinguish themselves socially. Of course, that social phenomenon is much older and well established in psychology than 'rapid onset gender dysphoria' ... 5and we did decide a few years ago that human history had it all wrong until we discovered new theories on gender, so maybe it's not social, as it obviously appears, but is really 'rapid onset gender dysphoria' 😃

The mental gymnastics of idealogues are always a bit amusing.

Yeah man. And I'll recognize that you seem to be quite sincere. Seems like you are just trying to navigate the topic to gain some understanding.

But you need to realize that you are on the same side as very very hateful people that are constantly pushing a very ****ed up narrative.

It really doesn't take any time at all to link social contagion to ROGD as a right wing talking point. Id suggest you do a few minutes of digging.

Why?

Then why not totally crush it with FACTS, LOGIC AND SCIENCE! rather than just saying 'right wing talking point' and not engaging it at all?

Its a right wing talking point that plays awfully well and wins a lot of voters.
Why do you suppose that is?

(Hint: It's not "ignorance")

We were talking about finding high schools where coming out as trans increased one's popularity. He thought such a place didn't exist but joked about us traveling the country searching for one.

Yes, that is basically right. In the first week of the course I put in about 15 minutes a day of work to go down the list and memorize faces/names and any relevant facts they tell me about on the survey (lots of these are just accessibility things). It doesn't take long, faces are the hard part for me, but I just use excel and it happens pretty quick and is a great way to help form a minimal connection with students.

Yeah, it's still absurd, man. People aren't getting mind controlled into changing their gender identity. You're seeing more news about openly transgender people because there's less of a stigma on that nowdays. Kinda like how there are more visible gay people in 2024 than there were in 1924. All of this is incredibly basic stuff a child can grasp.

While I certainly agree with the sentiment it is just an internet forum post, who really cares, for me it isn't really "just" a grammar issue like the completely neutral worldwide vs world-wide. I think we all have some responsibility to try and use respectful language when talking about trans people. Like the grammar point is a bit bemusing seeing people not understanding how adjectives work, but the real purpose isn't grammatical it is that if somebody is going to come here and deliver long soliloquies about trans people being fake, they really ought to have internalized oh, i dunno, let's say 3 mainstream articles about trans people to learn the basics of the terminology.

It's literally the same talking point, both terms are coined by the same person https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-heal.... It's been part of the right wing anti-trans lexicon ever since.

Just to clarify, this is of course entirely incorrect.

Social contagion certainly isn't a term recently coined by anyone. Wikipedia says it has discussed by social scientists since the late 19th century.

i didn't see the deleted posts, still disagree with his ban though

you should google search it

some are quite reasonable, others wtf, others like they attached a carrot to a snowman

my heart truly goes out to those who get bottom surgery because there is a a massively high variance in results

you actually googled this?

Obviously I'm referring to the application of it to trans people: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...

Well, I had never heard of ROGD, and I certainly don't consider them the same thing. I came to my own determination that social contagion was taking place with regard to young people identifying as trans without having heard any right wing talking points about it. The only right wing talking points I ever learn about are those mentioned by left wing people in this forum.

Conservative Christians have spent decades trying to use psychological coercion/manipulation/abuse to stop their kids from turning gay, it absolutely does not work at all. Sorry, if you think there's a magical wave of "social contagion" that's changing people's sexuality or gender identity, you're just not good at evaluating facts at a basic level.

You don't think that people raised by conservative Christian families are less likely to identify as gay than the general public? I haven't seen any studies, but I would be shocked if that weren't true.

That's very clearly not what I said.

who doesn't google penises every day?

I never deleted the posts. They are still directly above the post i made itt announcing his ban.

Do you see any difference in experiencing actual sexual arousal, and in a generic declaration of identity with no objective markers that actually allows any kind of detailed, or general, description of what are basically only your feelings?

Among the self-identified trans people under30, a majority (approx 60%) aren't identifying with exactly the opposite sex to their biological one. All the "non binary" and other labels aren't something that require any change of appearance or behaviour even to be satisfied or validated.

3% of of the 18-29 y old in the USA self identify as non binary currently. 0.1% over 50.

You really think many millions of over50 across the western world included in societies which are more relaxed and open about sexuality than the american one was decades ago , where 1 naked boob at a superbowl or a president having an affair used to be a great scandal, have actually gender identities that aren't either male nor female, not ever having given a hint about that to anyone in their whole life?

or maybe when it's 30x and it isn't a phenomenon everyone knew was fairly common but covered (like homosexuality decades ago), maybe a portion of those 3% will not self-identify as non binary for their whole life?

remember that if even 1 in 10 of them reverts over the normal binary spectrum in the next decade or two, then you were wrong and we were right about something going on that makes people self identify as trans which isn't what they actually are, for some of them.

Trolly brought it up not me. He said their efforts have not lessened the number of their children being gay. I disagree with that. Neither of us said anything about people being in the closet.

You said they have tried to stop their children from being gay but it has not worked at all. I believe it certainly has worked to some extent.