Israel/Palestine thread
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The progress has been acknowledged. It happened after weeks of extremely heated exchanges between Bibi and the international community, particularly from Biden. The initial results were an absolute disaster due to the time it took.
The way the first sentence paints the airdrops is pretty ridiculous.
Well, at least the people of Gaza can take solace that Hezbollah and the Houthis are killing Asian farmers and sailors in response. Any day now I am sure we can expect these efforts to bear fruit for the Palestinian people.
I will say it is going to be awkward the day after when Hamas comes out of the tunnels and they are all obese.
Really wish people would stop making deliberately obtuse comments like this
If you think Israel, right now, is not "causing catastrophe" in Gaza, then you simply cannot be taken seriously
We are getting reports of STARVATION and the US has resorted to airdrops of god knows what
You cannot sit itt and say w a straight face Israel isn't the cause of this
Just bc 10/7 happened does not mean Israel was required to do exactly what they're doing. They can do more for the Gazans in morbid plight right now than they are
Really wish people would stop making deliberately obtuse comments like this
If you think Israel, right now, is not "causing catastrophe" in Gaza, then you simply cannot be taken seriously
We are getting reports of STARVATION and the US has resorted to airdrops of god knows what
You cannot sit itt and say w a straight face Israel isn't the cause of this
Just bc 10/7 happened does not mean Israel was required to do exactly what they're doing. The
If the hostages got returned and Israel was still doing this you would be right
Until the hostages are returned it's al on hamas
All of it
Really wish people would stop making deliberately obtuse comments like this
If you think Israel, right now, is not "causing catastrophe" in Gaza, then you simply cannot be taken seriously
We are getting reports of STARVATION and the US has resorted to airdrops of god knows what
You cannot sit itt and say w a straight face Israel isn't the cause of this
Just bc 10/7 happened does not mean Israel was required to do exactly what they're doing. The
Their own government has put them in this position but you want the people they attacked to be the ones to help?
Stop
Their own government has put them in this position but you want the people they attacked to be the ones to help?
Stop
lets take for the sake of argument that Israel is actually attacking Hamas (lol). Israel, with the best weaponry and resources in the history of war is not able to eliminate them.
but you expect a bunch of poor and starving blockaded refugees to beat Hamas?
I think it's not only hamas, but the people defending its actions within and outside Palestine as well.
without that immense international pressure, Israel would have done much more much sooner to seal the deal on Hamas, they are actually extremely constrained in their response.
I think it's not only hamas, but the people defending its actions within and outside Palestine as well.
without that immense international pressure, Israel would have done much more much sooner to seal the deal on Hamas, they are actually extremely constrained in their response.
Israel at various times supported, funded, or propped up Hamas for the last 2 decades lol
Is Teflon at all familiar with Mets overall body of work, maturity level, and general disposition? It might help.
Bibi does not allow other peace keepers inside.
This means this is entirely of Israel's doing, in particular because Bibi has refused any form "the day after" planning which has been a major complaint from Biden and others since the beginning.
Just because Israel will struggle to fix the problem they've created doesn't mean they don't have a responsibility to do so.
Who are these "peace keepers" Bibi isn't letting in? I am not aware of anyone who has volunteered peacekeepers.
I doubt many people are going to volunteer for something that isn't happening, but the obvious answer is PA.
lets take for the sake of argument that Israel is actually attacking Hamas (lol). Israel, with the best weaponry and resources in the history of war is not able to eliminate them.
but you expect a bunch of poor and starving blockaded refugees to beat Hamas?
The most powerful military on Earth couldn't beat the barefoot Victor Charlie.
Israel intends to do differently
We never expected Gazans to do anything other than what they've done: succumb to Islamist authority, and provide support and sanctuary to the most agitated ants/ jihadis of their population.
I hope to have the courage to do my part versus vanilla isis in rural Missouri, should things balkanize. Chris Hedges says it's possible lol
What do you think Hamas leadership has thought about this? I don't assume they don't realize this.
You make no sense dustin
Let's assume i agree when you: Israel wanted hamas in power
Why? Because they were friends?
No. Because hamas did not want 2 states. And Israel didn't think they would get powerful enough to threaten Israel
What does that have to do with anything today?
This isn't a game. Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Israel wants to destroy hamas
So you bringing up the point that Israel may have at one time propped up hamas means what now?
Who gives a ****
I was asking Victor what he thinks about what Hamas thinks about the help they've received. Nothing more nothing less.
Ok
I apologize
You make no sense dustin
Let's assume i agree when you: Israel wanted hamas in power
Why? Because they were friends?
No. Because hamas did not want 2 states. And Israel didn't think they would get powerful enough to threaten Israel
What does that have to do with anything today?
This isn't a game. Hamas wants to destroy Israel. Israel wants to destroy hamas
So you bringing up the point that Israel may have at one time propped up hamas means w
Luckbox consistently puts too much weight in temporary alignment of interests, and sees conspiracies where none exist, IMO. At one point or another Israel seems to have temporarily aligned with pretty much everyone in the region, including Iran. But I dont think most of this holds the weight or importance Luckbox does.
temporary alignment of interest is not "conspiracy theory" in the colloquial meaning. (it is in the literal meaning but no one really uses that meaning except myself).
I was asking Victor what he thinks about what Hamas thinks about the help they've received. Nothing more nothing less.
Victor doesn't feel it is his place to question the strategy or tactics of the resistance; including Iran, Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, North Korea, Russia, ISIS, Boko Haram, Khmer Rouge, etc.. His criticism is solely for Israel and the US.
ISIS is western backed and in opposition to the Axis of Resistance.
Khmer, again western backed although I dont think they really exist anymore.
Russia and North Korea are not part of the Resistance.
hope that clarifies things.
