The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
She's been diagnosed by some stupid f*ck.
The new Pearl Jam is just out and pretty good lmao.
Would be interesting if there's a study on the months-long inpatient experiences of many adolescents from the mid/late 80s. Still going on today if the parents have the requisite insurance policy. Sent there for drug use, rebelliousness and who knows what else. Years removed, i doubt you can even quantify 'success.'
Right, so either your talking about trans people with mental health problems that are not gender dysphoria or trans people with the specific mental health problem that is gender dysphoria.
As fun as it is to weaponize mental health challenges in trans people to attack them on the internet that just isn't going to be my jam.
No, we think there are mentally ill NON TRANS people who are getting convinced they are trans, among kids especially, girls in particular.
We know for a certainty that happened in the UK, why shouldn't it happen to a far larger extent in the USA where more under 18 self identify as trans?
This suggests strongly that clinicians with a 'woke' reactionary mentality, derived from the United States, are imposing and enforcing 'trans' identification on vulnerable young patients to 'normalise' them by replacing a taboo classification -- autistic, gay or even just depressed -- with a fashionable 'woke' one, that is 'trans'.
I don't get how this could logistically occur. Do we think clinicians are asking patients to consider being trans, instead of the kids coming to the clinic already identifying as such?
Also, I see kids in high school finding it much more fashionable to be "autistic" or depressed than gay or trans. I have had many patients ask if they could be depressed or autistic despite no real evidence they were. No one has ever asked if they were gay or trans, and instead those identifying as such note significant conflicts with peers and family members stemming from that.
I don't get how this could logistically occur. Do we think clinicians are asking patients to consider being trans, instead of the kids coming to the clinic already identifying as such?
Also, I see kids in high school finding it much more fashionable to be "autistic" or depressed than gay or trans. I have had many patients ask if they could be depressed or autistic despite no real evidence they were. No one has ever asked if they were gay or
If a physician meeting an extremely troubled person who, among many other things of clinical note, self identify as trans, cannot put the trans self identification in doubt at all in any case because of the absurd scenario the left created in many places, don't you think that's a problem?
Are you absolutely certain, to the point of being willing to bet your and their lives on it, that the totality of the kids self identifing as trans currently are actually trans? IE will self identify as such for the totality of the rest of their lives?
If a physician meeting an extremely troubled person who, among many other things of clinical note, self identify as trans, cannot put the trans self identification in doubt at all in any case because of the absurd scenario the left created in many places, don't you think that's a problem?
I don't think this is a real situation. No lefty mob is ending up in my medical appointments.
I don't get how this could logistically occur. Do we think clinicians are asking patients to consider being trans, instead of the kids coming to the clinic already identifying as such?
Also, I see kids in high school finding it much more fashionable to be "autistic" or depressed than gay or trans. I have had many patients ask if they could be depressed or autistic despite no real evidence they were. No one has ever asked if they were gay or
It's not so much individual medical practitioners pushing individual patients to be trans (although that happens too, probably more so on the side of therapists than actual MDs). The bigger issue is the increased cultural exposure of trans identities over the last few years.
It's just creating words for things that are points along the spectrum of normal human experience.
Someone who in our generation would have been a boy who doesn't want to be a jock, or a girl who doesn't want to be a "girly girl", now they have a new word "trans" to label themselves. And a concept that if they have problems in their life due to not fitting in, it can be fixed by going to a doctor. When in our day, the cultural norm would have been that everyone goes through similar struggles as a young person, everyone feels at one point or another that they don't fit in, and it's fine to explore your identity as a teenager, but you don't need to go to therapy or a doctor to do that, you do it by joining different clubs, taking up a new sport, getting a job, starting a punk-rock band, or whatever.
As you pointed out, the same thing is happening now with "autism" or "depression" - obviously both are real conditions, but they are now being morphed into fashionable diagnoses by kids who don't have anything wrong with them, but just feel pressure to attach a label.
As you pointed out, the same thing is happening now with "autism" or "depression" - obviously both are real conditions, but they are now being morphed into fashionable diagnoses by kids who don't have anything wrong with them, but just feel pressure to attach a label.
It's the "if you build it they will come" theory. Once you start telling people that a certain thing is an option, some percentage of them will choose to take it.
It's the "if you build it they will come" theory. Once you start telling people that a certain thing is an option, some percentage of them will choose to take it.
Absolutely right. It's not unlike a religious person saying "the devil possessed him" because that's how his culture understands mental trauma.
Obviously mental health, depression, autism, and so on are all real things and psychiatric treatment can do good. I've personally seen it help people in my family tremendously. However a lot of what is going on now, particularly with transgenderism in young people, is a mind virus.
No, we think there are mentally ill NON TRANS people who are getting convinced they are trans, among kids especially, girls in particular.
exactly. The reprehensible transphobic trope is to say that trans people are not actually trans, they are just mental ill.
It’s also clearly against the forum rules, such as they are.
It's just creating words for things that are points along the spectrum of normal human experience.
Someone who in our generation would have been a boy who doesn't want to be a jock, or a girl who doesn't want to be a "girly girl", now they have a new word "trans" to label themselves.
No , in all generations trans people were trans. In the 1950’s tomboys were tomboys and trans women were women, same as any other decade. It’s highly disturbing and discriminatory for you to think this. What you’re actually describing is your own discomfort with reality.
exactly. The reprehensible transphobic trope is to say that trans people are not actually trans, they are just mental ill.
It’s also clearly against the forum rules, such as they are.
Excuse me but you are claiming that forum rules deny the existence of detransitioners? or of people who stop self identifying as trans after a while?
I don't understand where you read that. If the rules are such that we cannot even question the possibility that SOME , i repeat SOME kids who self identify as trans aren't actually trans then that should be explicitly written there.
Should ask a mod, i'll do
No , in all generations trans people were trans. In the 1950’s tomboys were tomboys and trans women were women, same as any other decade. It’s highly disturbing and discriminatory for you to think this. What you’re actually describing is your own discomfort with reality.
Do you think the % of trans people is stable historically, and we see far greater self identification now exclusively because trans people are less discriminated against?
so do you think in the 1950 5% of adults were trans like currently seems to be the case among the 18-29 old from polls?
Do you think the % of trans people is stable historically, and we see far greater self identification now exclusively because trans people are less discriminated against?
so do you think in the 1950 5% of adults were trans like currently seems to be the case among the 18-29 old from polls?
As i’ve already explained, I think the percentage has remained constant throughout history.all of it. I also don’t think that’s controversial.
As i’ve already explained, I think the percentage has remained constant throughout history.all of it. I also don’t think that’s controversial.
So you are allowed to believe that millions of over65 in all western countries are lying about their gender identities?
Let me understand if I get it right:
You can claim millions of elders are lying about their gender identity, which is what you do when you claim every generation has the same percentage of trans people, while I can't claim that a portion of the young people who self identify as trans might not be trans?
Is that how gender identity rules work in this forum?
Or maybe you didn't realize that you are calling millions of elders liars about their gender identity when you claim the percentage historically was always the same?
So you are allowed to believe that millions of over65 in all western countries are lying about their gender identities?
Let me understand if I get it right:
You can claim millions of elders are lying about their gender identity, which is what you do when you claim every generation has the same percentage of trans people, while I can't claim that a portion of the young people who self identify as trans might not be trans?
Is that how gender ide
by that logic, there were millions of Jewish liars too.
You don’t seem to understand the history of lgbt discrimination. It wasnt pleasant. There’s millions of gays and lesbians “lying” right now.
by that logic, there were millions of Jewish liars too.
You don’t seem to understand the history of lgbt discrimination. It wasnt pleasant. There’s millions of gays and lesbians “lying” right now.
Ehm the society is the same.
It's USA in 2024. Why would elders lie more than the young about gender identity in anonymous polls wtf?
Excuse me but you are claiming that forum rules deny the existence of detransitioners? or of people who stop self identifying as trans after a while?
I don't understand where you read that. If the rules are such that we cannot even question the possibility that SOME , i repeat SOME kids who self identify as trans aren't actually trans then that should be explicitly written there.
Should ask a mod, i'll do
lol, the problematic part was the “mentally ill” part, nothing to do with noting a small percentage of people with detransition.
lol, the problematic part was the “mentally ill” part, nothing to do with noting a small percentage of people with detransition.
A small percentage of people ?
We aren't talking only about detransition after hormones, we are talking stopping to self identify as trans.
You think 98% of the people who self identify themselves as non binary today will do for the rest of their life?
Btw where are you in the permanency of being trans? IE is it a permanent characteristic of an individual, something which you either are for your whole life or not? If so, someone who first self defined as trans then stops self defining as such, was never trans a single moment of his life?
Society TODAY, elders TODAY people alive TODAY over 65 self identify as trans with rates approx 1/10 of the 18-29. Something like 0.5% vs 5%.
You are claiming that today, facing the same discrimination as the young (actually less because they are out of the work force so a main source of discrimination, that on the job, disappears) they keep lying en masse by not admitting they are trans in the same amount as the 18-29.
Why can you call 4.5% of the over65 in America liars, I don't understand
Society TODAY, elders TODAY people alive TODAY over 65 self identify as trans with rates approx 1/10 of the 18-29. Something like 0.5% vs 5%.
You are claiming that today, facing the same discrimination as the young (actually less because they are out of the work force so a main source of discrimination, that on the job, disappears) they keep lying en masse by not admitting they are trans in the same amount as the 18-29.
Why can you call 4.5%
Again, I didn’t call them liars, you did. Why do you think senior citizens are liars?
A small percentage of people ?
We aren't talking only about detransition after hormones, we are talking stopping to self identify as trans.
You think 98% of the people who self identify themselves as non binary today will do for the rest of their life?
Btw where are you in the permanency of being trans? IE is it a permanent characteristic of an individual, something which you either are for your whole life or not? If so, someone who first self
No part of my general thesis that we should stop suggesting trans people are mentally ill relies on this. If someone identifies as trans and then latter doesn’t we should be just as accepting and welcoming and kind and not string them up as being mentally ill.
