The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by rickroll P

so this is why you're in thailand?

Naw. Poker is illegal here, so I wouldnt want to give that up for a dress choice. It's even against the law for an individual to own more than 2 decks of cards. Besides, all expats are required to wear the official expat uniform: shaved head, black T shirt, black (or dark blue) shorts, and black athletic shoes. No deviations authorized. 😀


by browser2920 P

Naw. Poker is illegal here, so I wouldnt want to give that up for a dress choice. It's even against the law for an individual to own more than 2 decks of cards. Besides, all expats are required to wear the official expat uniform: shaved head, black T shirt, black (or dark blue) shorts, and black athletic shoes. No deviations authorized. 😀

I never moved there even temporarily because they went Nazi against vaping, is that still a thing?


by Inso0 P

Sweet baby Jesus, where did they find this guy?

We're not asking about wearing a dress to sheepshead night, we're talking about anonymous polling.

And are these old people with a healthy distrust of revealing things to strangers the same old people who are mercilessly targeted by scammers who can get them to send $10,000 in Google Play cards purchased at Target, or sometimes just straight up cash, to a PO Box in New Delhi?

Do you have someone

The old folks who dont get scammed are the same ones who dont believe anonymous polls are really anonymous so dont tell them personal ****.

I have no problem taking my meds. I always take them. My problem is that 10 mins later I cant remember if I took them so to be sure I take them again. That's why I find it so funny when people here accuse me of playing favorites because some posters hold this political position or that, as if I remember (or GAF) who holds which positions on what from previous posts. 😉


by Luciom P

I never moved there even temporarily because they went Nazi against vaping, is that still a thing?

Yes. Vaping is illegal here.

Yet There's a weed shop on every block now. But the government is looking to reel that in. I doubt it will actually happen, though.


by browser2920 P

Yes. Vaping is illegal here.

Yet There's a weed shop on every block now. But the government is looking to reel that in. I doubt it will actually happen, though.

jeez I remember trying to validate a source claiming some swiss guys were arrested for vaping there years ago and feeling truly bad when it came out it was actually true :-(

sad to hear that's still how it works


Vaping illegal in Colombia too but people still vape.


by Luckbox Inc P

Vaping illegal in Colombia too but people still vape.

south eastern asian enforcement of rules is usually very strict compared to Mediterranean/Latino enforcement of rules


It's a pretty horrible habit and cigarettes are probably healthier for you. Same with weed vape vs actual weed. I've never tried for the former but I have to really want some THC in my system for the latter.


by spaceman Bryce P

No, I don’t consider it lying for reasons meant above.
I’m not being “snarky” about it, it’s amusing to me to read the complete arrogance of conservatives and there is no need to point to the elephant in the room to discredit the ridiculous points being made in this thread.

You have a very unusual definition of lying.

So do you think a black person is lying if they say they are white in an anonymous survey?


by uke_master P

exactly. The reprehensible transphobic trope is to say that trans people are not actually trans, they are just mental ill.

It’s also clearly against the forum rules, such as they are.

This is true. It's clearly not okay to make sweeping generalisations about entire groups of people.

It is also true to say some trans people are not actually trans, but are using a trans identity as an expression of their poor mental health or gender dysphoria. An example of this would be Keira Bell and the many others who were misdiagnosed at Tavistock.

Posters should be aware of this distinction when commenting.


by Elrazor P

This is true. It's clearly not okay to make sweeping generalisations about entire groups of people.

It is also true to say some trans people are not actually trans, but are using a trans identity as an expression of their poor mental health or gender dysphoria. An example of this would be Keira Bell and the many others who were misdiagnosed at Tavistock.

Posters should be aware of this distinction when commenting.

One thing the anti trans activist and their extremist friends forget is that trans people want considered , thourough reporting and want to be made aware of bad clinics and poor diagnostic practices. They want to know and are more interested in unethical doctors than the anti trans extremists ever will be.

Of course, the standards, success rate, and client satisfaction rates for gender affirming care are much higher than that for other fields of medicine, many doctors study the model of gender affirming care to apply to their unrelated practices in hopes of improving patient care.

Taviatock was ran improperly because of poor funding and has been corrected. the biggest problem in tavistock was that it was the only clinic of its kind for a large area, so wait times were huge. Now there are regional centers. Also Britain has a lot of problems with their healthcare service.

To act like concerns involving an entire group of people are the same as one patient who did not receive proper care is insane.


by chillrob P

You have a very unusual definition of lying.

So do you think a black person is lying if they say they are white in an anonymous survey?

I’m not going to dignify the idea that people who are having trouble coming out are “liars”.


Just browsing the last handful of posts, I’m noticing multiple people use the phrase “actual trans”, so now I have to comment. Assuming you aren’t trans — speaking to those of you using this phrase — do you have an actual gender too? By ‘actual gender’ I of course mean a gender completely independent of your bio sex and completely independent of your identification.

Or do only “actual trans” have an actual gender?


by spaceman Bryce P

I’m not going to dignify the idea that people who are having trouble coming out are “liars”.

I didn't say they were "liars".

You think the older generation is not telling the truth, for whatever reason. I think they're being honest. There is no way that 5% of the elderly secretly consider themselves to be trans.


by craig1120 P

Just browsing the last handful of posts, I’m noticing multiple people use the phrase “actual trans”, so now I have to comment. Assuming you aren’t trans — speaking to those of you using this phrase — do you have an actual gender too? By ‘actual gender’ I of course mean a gender completely independent of your bio sex and completely independent of your identification.

Or do only “actual trans” have an actual gender?

I don't believe gender identity is a useful term. I don't believe people have a gender as distinct from biological sex. Gender refers to which social roles and customs are typically associated with male/ female sex (knitting vs. fishing/ nurse vs. auto mechanic/ dresses vs. tuxedos, etc.), as well as social and linguistic (in some languages) mannerisms associated with one sex or the other.

I believe trans is a term for people who have a mismatch between their birth sex and the sex they wish to be perceived as in society.

If I use the phrase "actual trans," I am referring to people who experience this mismatch and choose to live socially as the opposite sex. I would use this phrase to contrast people are adopting a trans identity either due to a social contagion, or for impure purposes (like a man trying to gain access to women's spaces for sexual gratification).


If gender is a continuum then everyone is trans, hopefully that helps.


by Elrazor P

This is true. It's clearly not okay to make sweeping generalisations about entire groups of people.

It is also true to say some trans people are not actually trans, but are using a trans identity as an expression of their poor mental health or gender dysphoria. An example of this would be Keira Bell and the many others who were misdiagnosed at Tavistock.

Posters should be aware of this distinction when commenting.

Yes Elrazor, we get it, the transphobic trope is to to endlessly center the conversation around all the fake mentally ill non-trans people you imagine there are. You don’t need to repeat it for us.


by Luckbox Inc P

It's a pretty horrible habit and cigarettes are probably healthier for you. Same with weed vape vs actual weed. I've never tried for the former but I have to really want some THC in my system for the latter.

lol no for tobacco 100%. No idea about THC that substance is poison for my body so i don't take it


by uke_master P

Yes Elrazor, we get it, the transphobic trope is to to endlessly center the conversation around all the fake mentally ill non-trans people you imagine there are. You don’t need to repeat it for us.

Just so you know, it’s extremely homophobic to pretend that gay people who were misdiagnosed as trans do not exist.


by Elrazor P

Just so you know, it’s extremely homophobic to pretend that gay people who were misdiagnosed as trans do not exist.

this would have only offended him 3 years ago, now he has a new group to white knight for


by Jackontheturn P

I don't believe gender identity is a useful term. I don't believe people have a gender as distinct from biological sex. Gender refers to which social roles and customs are typically associated with male/ female sex (knitting vs. fishing/ nurse vs. auto mechanic/ dresses vs. tuxedos, etc.), as well as social and linguistic (in some languages) mannerisms associated with one sex or the other.

I believe trans is a term for people who have a mis

Ok, you’re using it to mean those who strongly identify as trans, not for those who have a single gender which is independent of whether or not they identify with it. Because if we each have a single (independent) gender, then we can expect ~ 50% of the population to be “actual trans”, right? I would add that many who adopt the trans identity due to social contagion also develop a strong gender identity, so I personally would distinguish it by those who strongly identify as trans and those who don’t.

We can and should empathize with the people who strongly identify with the gender opposite their bio sex, while avoiding the propaganda which says their trans identity is not simply an identity but who they are independent of identification (meaning even before they identified as trans, they were trans).


by Elrazor P

Just so you know, it’s extremely homophobic to pretend that gay people who were misdiagnosed as trans do not exist.

Misdiagnosis exist a lot in every field.
Denying this would be wrong.

If You speak of misdiagnosis of trans however, youre a homophobe.


by uke_master P

Yes Elrazor, we get it, the transphobic trope is to to endlessly center the conversation around all the fake mentally ill non-trans people you imagine there are. You don’t need to repeat it for us.

by Elrazor P

Just so you know, it’s extremely homophobic to pretend that gay people who were misdiagnosed as trans do not exist.

This response bears almost no relation to what uke wrote. It’s also rich for you of all people to claim someone like uke master is being homophobic. gross.


I think he thinks he is being clever.


by spaceman Bryce P

This response bears almost no relation to what uke wrote. It’s also rich for you of all people to claim someone like uke master is being homophobic. gross.

It isn't gross.

If in the victim hood ladder you put trans people above homosexuals, which is what radical activism is doing right now, and you claim trans women are women, you are forcing lesbian associations to accept people with dicks (a very violent enforcement of your preferences) against their will, or lose their tax exempt status, and that's homophobia.

And it happened in the UK. And it is being litigated, it's not an hypothetical


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