Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Let me be clear on something. There is a difference between being allowed and being considered correct or even factual. But from a moderation perspective it's up to other posters to rebut such claims. For example, one might very much disagree about the relative importance of a persons self identification as trans versus some sort of objective criteria, if such criteria even exists. Since gender incongruity is by definition a disconnect betw
Sure I am asking about rules here not "being right". The rest is discussion among posters. Including what the definition of every word is I hope.
Mentally ill self defining as trans without being so is what happened in mass in the horror stories of the infamous tavistock clinic in the UK, which has been closed because of massive abuse. That's what we have actual proof on record of.
So we can think the same is happening everywhere leftists have the upper cultural hand in the USA and elsewhere.
Maybe in anglo, non american places because in most other places you can certainly claim the very recent change in psychiatric assessment of gender disphoria was wrong and the totality of world scientific literature before it was correct.
I mean this place can have the rules it wants to, but please don't claim a rule which isn't in place in 90%+++ of public arena is normal or frequent. It isn't.
In most public arenas you are fully allowed to
then why u wanna say it?
lets see:
-can you say it in schools? no
-in governments? no
-on social media? no
- at your private club? depends who the boss is and if you have gay
or trans members, but we are not talking private clubs.
we are talking public. not even the pope says it anymore.
its not acceptable, probably bc it is not entirely true.
to be clear: I was talking about simplericks and lagtights ban,
both are very similar. did not mean rickrolls.
I think I'm pretty unbiased when it comes to mods. I did argue with Rococco but he seemed fair.
Browser, I think you should step down. Some bans seemed fine but lately it's just bizarre.
and i'm sure you're a swell guy.
what ban was bizzare? lmao
lagtight got banned by previous mods btw!
then why u wanna say it?
lets see:
-can you say it in schools? no
-in governments? no
-on social media? no
- at your private club? depends who the boss is and if you have gay
or trans members, but we are not talking private clubs.
we are talking public. not even the pope says it anymore.
its not acceptable, probably bc it is not entirely true.
You can say it on x an telegram, you can say it in most schools worldwide, you can say it "in governments" in most countries.
I am in Italy and everyone can say it here everywhere, and a lot of place are far far far behind the curve of Italy.
Or you think your small, extremely minoritarian niche of the world is representative of the whole of humanity?
Even in the USA you can say it in Congress and in any state legislature
Just fyi, a few of the posts in that thread are definitely illegal in Italy.
No, the left tried to put gender identity as a protected class for speech (so called DDL Zan, from Zan member of Parliament activist) and it was voted against with narrow margins in a epic victory for common sense which then led, among other things, to the first electoral victory of an actual rightwing coalition (no Berlusconi wasn't rightwing) in Italian post war history .
"Gender identity" isn't a concept recognized by law in Italy, there is no statute defining it, protecting it, or disallowing discrimination on it's basis.
No, the left tried to put gender identity as a protected class for speech (so called DDL Zan, from Zan member of Parliament activist) and it was voted against with narrow margins in a epic victory for common sense which then led, among other things, to the first electoral victory of an actual rightwing coalition (no Berlusconi wasn't rightwing) in Italian post war history .
"Gender identity" isn't a concept recognized by law in Italy, there
I’m 100% sure i’m right. You don’t understand italian law very well.
We have a very specific hate speech laws which is the Mancino law.
That covers a short list of protected classes which you can't talk too bad about (I am simplifying).
The left tried repeatedly, in 2013-14 and again in 2020-21, when it had thin majorities, to add gender identity to that law list of protected classes.
In both cases the moderates center left Catholics voted against it so it never became the law.
In Italy we don't have a full first amendment (the constitution allows for specific law exceptions), but without a law clearly banning some speech, all speech is allowed.
Which is why we (correctly) allow pro Putin and pro Hamas speech among other things, with no legal repercussions.
We only enforce hate speech laws about flagrant racial or sex based insults.
We have a very specific hate speech laws which is the Mancino law.
That covers a short list of protected classes which you can't talk too bad about (I am simplifying).
The left tried repeatedly, in 2013-14 and again in 2020-21, when it had thin majorities, to add gender identity to that law list of protected classes.
In both cases the moderates center left Catholics voted against it so it never became the law.
In Italy we don't have a full firs
Does Italy have laws against Holocaust denial?
In Italy It Is fully legal to doubt the extent of the Holocaust even to the point of claiming very few Jews have been killed in it.
But it becomes illegal if that speech is part of an antisemitic speech.
For ex holocaust denial would be part of illegal (criminal) speech if you start claiming the Holocaust never happened, Jews created that idea, and they use it to ask for favors or whatnot, and they conspire against the west with evil purposes et cetera (common neonazi trope).
But holocaust denial PER SE isn't a crime here.
It is in Germany, austria, belgium.and France if google is correct, while Spain has this weird "all genocide denial is a crime" law which should cause the jailing of a ton of communists who deny the holodomor so I don't think it's actually enforced.
In Italy It Is fully legal to doubt the extent of the Holocaust even to the point of claiming very few Jews have been killed in it.
But it becomes illegal if that speech is part of an antisemitic speech.
For ex holocaust denial would be part of illegal (criminal) speech if you start claiming the Holocaust never happened, Jews created that idea, and they use it to ask for favors or whatnot, and they conspire against the west with evil purposes
ok, I actually don’t want to emphasize this point that much. I was and still am under the impression they have laws against genocide denial.
Those posts have been deleted but were posted. In any case, it is certainly the thread with the most messed up posts per capita on 2p2 in a long long time.
ok, I actually don’t want to emphasize this point that much. I was and still am under the impression they have laws against genocide denial.
Those posts have been deleted but were posted. In any case, it is certainly the thread with the most messed up posts per capita on 2p2 in a long long time.
People denied the Holocaust happened in the trans visibility thread?
I say this completely unbiased and please* forget/overlook/etc that I’m a mod of Sporting Events:
Free rickroll.
If anything his last post itt was performance art posting and is not ban worthy.
Nah, good riddance, rickroll. We aren't here to be subjected to his performance art, let him do that in a blog.
Nah, free rick...
Also a giant go **** yourself to any country that has enough cowards in govt to flex their sadism by wanting to throw folks in jail for speech.
