Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
You got a pm warning about watching the insults for telling a poster he was "****ing pathetic". Two weeks later you received a temp ban for telling the same poster "Christ you're an idiot".
I don't know how things are modded over in sports, but if you really can't discuss topics here without resorting to insults like those, you may well be better off not posting here.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
it was fun
It's a private company with its own terms and conditions that everyone must agree to abide by in order to register. Among lots of other things, they include:
You acknowledge that Two Plus Two does not pre-screen Your Content, and that we have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to modify, transmit over various networks, refuse, or move any of Your Content that is available on the Service.
So clearly posts can be edited,
Sure. But no one here is arguing that moderators don't have the right to moderate how they see fit, browser. People are arguing for more lenient moderation.
This is a forum with a couple of dozen of regular posters, not hundreds. It doesn't require heavy handed moderation, and your attempt to mod in this fashion is what's causing many of the problems, just as it has on other online politics forums, as well as a lot of extra work for you.
"valenzuela - defending the 2022 Qatar World Cup bid"
Harsh but fair.
I don't know how you even have the time to do all this moderation, much less defending the moderation decisions. Just posting complaints in this thread takes a lot of time and gets exhausting!
It's almost as if there aren't enough new posts to occupy ourselves with or for moderators to scan with a fine toothcomb for any hint of rule breaches.
I care about twoplustwo as a whole and don’t think, even with a small audience, the politics forum should be a race to the bottom. I actually think that the small number of posters here is a good indication that we shouldn’t let the same loudest 10 voices drown out the politics forum.
Sure but the way to prevent a race to the bottom is decent, non overbearing moderation and that's what's been lacking.
I don’t understand what the issue is here. Moderation seems standard.
You addressed literally nothing I said in the longer post of which I’m curious what your response is, so no you didn’t respond to both
Just flatly reply with ‘whatever I do what I want!’ and we can call it a day
Yeah then you have to expect a lot of pushback I'm afraid. People (rightly imo) see their posts as their property and don't like others editing or deleting them,,,,,,,
That's a dictatorship.
I delete posts where I feel a direct personal attack is improper.
If you don't want it deleted, don't call someone an moran, idiot, stupid-as-schith etc. Simply leave that language out of a post!
Easy Peasy.
Dictatorship...... lololololol
You addressed literally nothing I said in the longer post of which I’m curious what your response is, so no you didn’t respond to both
Just flatly reply with ‘whatever I do what I want!’ and we can call it a day
Let's back up a bit first. Are you arguing that calling another poster ****ing pathetic, being warned, and then calling him an idiot are not violations of the site rules, that you do not consider those personal attacks or insults? Or are you arguing that yes, they are, but because you have determined by his answers (that you consider unsatisfactory) that he is, in fact, ****ing pathetic and an idiot, and therefore that you should have immunity from mod action for those comments? Or is it your position that yes, your comments warranted a ban, but because some other poster may have insulted a poster and not got banned that therefore you should not have been banned either?
So is it your position that you didnt break the rules; that you did but it's OK; or that you did but someone else did too and didnt get banned, so you shouldnt have either?
I very clearly said fine, I got banned
I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about
The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen responding by coming up with brand new lies and not owning or addressing the lies he was called out on
I, exasperated by reading this nonsense lozen chose to spew about a state I live in, called him ****ing pathetic for pivoting from one lie to another without owning that his first was unsubstantiated bile
I, in turn, got banned for a week
Lozen exists without issue or deterrence
Defend yourself or admit you just don’t care. It’s fine if you don’t care, I just want to read you say it
I have never seen lozen lie.
whenever someone said lozen was lying, actually they were lying.
(somewhat)
so there is that. libtards gonna lib (and lie)
donk is consistently trolling and being unreasonable. the other posters are unreasonable too. all they have are baseless accusations, without ever pinpointing to an actual example or at anything. this is pathetic.
check this out there are dozens of people banned for trolling, probably more like hundreds. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
the current mods dont ban anybody for trolling, not for anything other than blatantly disrespecting the mods and rules.
if you were a mod you would do the exact same. all hypocrites as per usual.
I very clearly said fine, I got banned
I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about
The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen re
Lozen gave answers you didnt like. That you thought were untrue. Bobo managed to respond to those without any personal attacks or name calling. You, instead, chose to just call him names. You attacked the person, not the argument. It's not against policy to state opinions that arent backed up by facts. There is no requirement for posters to provide answers that you find satisfactory.
I very clearly said fine, I got banned
I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about
The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen re
Well your back I am as well from a self imposed ban for my comment to Bobo . I would have accepted a ban if it was given
May I ask what lie I made about the state you live in ?
Also I would assume the reason you were suspended was because it was your second violation after being warned . I also received a warning from the mod for a first offence
Lozen gave answers you didnt like. That you thought were untrue. Bobo managed to respond to those without any personal attacks or name calling. You, instead, chose to just call him names. You attacked the person, not the argument. It's not against policy to state opinions that arent backed up by facts. There is no requirement for posters to provide answers that you find satisfactory.
Lol my god
Whatever this is pointless and you are a piece of work
Later bro
I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about
Because the mods only care about tone and not about substance, this is why the forum has degraded into a shitshow of bad faith trolling and racist garbage. Dozens of regs have explained this problem to them, nothing will come of it.
Because the mods only care about tone and not about substance, this is why the forum has degraded into a shitshow of bad faith trolling and racist garbage. Dozens of regs have explained this problem to them, nothing will come of it.
You would prefer people being banned for expressing opinions you dislike if they go over some artificial threshold you have in mind, is that the point of contention with browser style? Even if it's opinions shared by significant minorities of the population, or even majorities in some countries?
Why?
You would prefer people being banned for expressing opinions you dislike if they go over some artificial threshold you have in mind, is that the point of contention with browser style? Even if it's opinions shared by significant minorities of the population, or even majorities in some countries?
Why?
It's the point of contention he's had with every moderator since his buddies were demodded and the former politics forum shut down.
