The costs of trans visibility

Have you read any of your posts?

ban it, it severely destroys health for participants

I think some people ITT should apologize to me

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nex...

The death of Oklahoma student Nex Benedict has been ruled a suicide, according to a medical examiner’s report released Wednesday.

The medical examiner’s report listed probable cause of death as “combined toxicity” from two drugs, one of which is available over the counter and the other by prescription

Ops

Oops.

The issue is jumping to conclusions based on an incomplete autopsy, not that your conclusion may turn out to be correct once the tox report was completed.

No apology seems warranted, if you are referring to me.

The conclusion came from several elements, check the thread.

No trauma from the autopsy is only a part of that, very minimal actually. Got Nex on video after the fight looking fine, a big one. The information about her being suspended by school, so actually deemed responsible for the fight. And so on.

Anyway I had trollson in mind more than you, he went psycho on me saying I was defending the right of people who want to beat trans kids to death and so on.

I think Nex case very clearly indicates how desperate the left was and is in finding a trans Floyd.

How much bad faith inherently describes all trans activism, with the grotesque claim that the school bathroom bill caused Nex death repeated by trans activists everywhere including in this thread.

And btw to be clear we have no evidence of any actual bullying linked to gender identity against Nex ever happened at all to begin with.

A non-binary teen was bullied and then committed suicide and you want an apology for some imagined win on the internet? Buddy this is a tragedy. Show some basic humanity.

I believe you, but how could you not know they should be cleaned?

What are you going on about?

If you cram "identity" down people's throats, then a certain percentage of the population is going to want to change their perceived identity and when progress doesn't happen fast enough they'll get depressed and kill themselves. Had the message from society just been to accept oneself as they are then people will be happier with who they are.

I get it.

I'm sorry, I'm not in the game of using the tragic suicide of a non-binary student as a way to score points on the internet. Speculate away if you must, but I'm not joining you.

Imagine a model in which a trans identified kid gets worse mental health treatment because mental health professionals are worried about looking like they want to deny the affirmed gender identity at least in part, which is considered absolutely taboo in some circles.

So a mental condition gets minimized and not treated appropriately and can lead to suicide more often than it would have otherwise happened with proper treatment unfettered by the risk of coming afoul with trans activism.

Or from the other side: imagine a mentally ill kid that gets convinced he isn't actually mentally ill rather his problems were about not identifying properly gender wise, who then doesn't look for treatment, or whose parents don't look for treatment, because he gets convinced the gender identity solution was actually all that it was needed to solve the issue.

Or yet, a non mentally ill trans kid gets convinced by trans activism an actual trans genocide is happening (even if that is objectively, utterly, completely false, a totally made up claim with 0 substance) and that causes immense stress on the kid, which is a risk factor in suicide? If I got truly convinced a genocide was happening of people of the group I am part of, I could have snapped in the past as well in moments where my defences were weak because of outside factors.

Don't you see some of the above is possible/plausible at least some times, and in particular in this case?

Don't you see how any of the above would causally link trans activism to that (and others) suicides?

And yet you were ready to speculate the suicide was caused by previous sustained bullism, i wonder why

I could guess.

It's also plausible that the kid was going to be late with some homework. Or maybe was bothered by the coming extinction of life on earth caused by a meteor strike.

"Plausible" is doing some heavy lifting in both our scenarios.

Don't you think that believing you are extremely oppressed by society, because you have been convinced to be so by people claiming that 24/7 and claiming they represent your interests, coupled with a school suspension for an event you think didn't justify it (a fight you started, but against people who you think deserved that, so actual "proof" you are indeed oppressed by the system), could make someone otherwise weak and with problems snap completly?

Do you think the above is as far fetched and improbable as speculating that the cause of suicide was the fear of meteor strikes? really?

Might have to consult some Durkheim on that one

Didace you appear an acute thinker usually, even if you disagree with my tone (and my claims) often enough, why is it so hard for you to admit that the claim "convincing people they are victims of an occurring genocide (that isn't happening at all in any way or form) can cause severe mental distress and everything that is linked to severe mental distress" is obviously true?

Because you know it is.

uke getting on his high horse there is a worse look than had he just ignored you.

All sorts of declarations were made ITT without any corroborating evidence to back it up. This is normal for forum warrior culture, obviously, but it was coupled with some really over-the-top insinuations that anyone who didn't agree with the false narrative was the absolute worst kind of shitbag.

Trans people aren't special. I was bullied in grade school for being freakishly tall and not having as much leg hair as all the cool kids that played in private soccer leagues. Their ringleader was the actual freak of nature and looked like Teen Wolf, but he was cool and I was not. That's just how it works sometimes.

My daughter is also in the 99th percentile for height and went through the same bullying for it.

I'm saying you have no ****ing clue what happened here and your speculation is made up out of whole cloth.

I hope that helps.

If a trans identified individual kills themselves I think it's more reasonable to suggest that issues related to identity came into play than other causes like missing homework.

Yeah for sure it's all speculation but some guesses are more reasonable than others.

No they suffer from a mental health issue as do all individuals that take their life

Not true. People kill themselves for a variety of reasons-- many of them culturally mediated like shame.

No, mental illness isn't the only reason for suicide, although for teens and young adults it's by far the single most probable co-factor at least in the data I have seen