The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I think some people ITT should apologize to me
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nex...
The death of Oklahoma student Nex Benedict has been ruled a suicide, according to a medical examiner’s report released Wednesday.
The medical examiner’s report listed probable cause of death as “combined toxicity” from two drugs, one of which is available over the counter and the other by prescription
Yeah, remember the radical right jumped to the conclusion her death was suicide too. I don't know where you got the "3 younger girls" bit but the video sounded to me as if all the girls involved were serving in school detentions from prior "altercations" between them.
I guess we will have to wait for more info to figure out what "clearly" happened.
Ops
Oops.
The issue is jumping to conclusions based on an incomplete autopsy, not that your conclusion may turn out to be correct once the tox report was completed.
No apology seems warranted, if you are referring to me.
Oops.
The issue is jumping to conclusions based on an incomplete autopsy, not that your conclusion may turn out to be correct once the tox report was completed.
No apology seems warranted, if you are referring to me.
The conclusion came from several elements, check the thread.
No trauma from the autopsy is only a part of that, very minimal actually. Got Nex on video after the fight looking fine, a big one. The information about her being suspended by school, so actually deemed responsible for the fight. And so on.
Anyway I had trollson in mind more than you, he went psycho on me saying I was defending the right of people who want to beat trans kids to death and so on.
I think Nex case very clearly indicates how desperate the left was and is in finding a trans Floyd.
How much bad faith inherently describes all trans activism, with the grotesque claim that the school bathroom bill caused Nex death repeated by trans activists everywhere including in this thread.
And btw to be clear we have no evidence of any actual bullying linked to gender identity against Nex ever happened at all to begin with.
I think some people ITT should apologize to me
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nex...
The death of Oklahoma student Nex Benedict has been ruled a suicide, according to a medical examiner’s report released Wednesday.
The medical examiner’s report listed
A non-binary teen was bullied and then committed suicide and you want an apology for some imagined win on the internet? Buddy this is a tragedy. Show some basic humanity.
A non-binary teen was bullied and then committed suicide and you want an apology for some imagined win on the internet? Buddy this is a tragedy. Show some basic humanity.
Proof?
See how you keep going with the completely proof -less narrative of that life being lost because of society, discrimination, or someone else fault?
What if that person committed suicide because of terrible parenting throughout her life?
Or because of mental illness (which is by far the most common root cause of suicide in young people in general) not treated properly? Maybe because of trans activism denying and minimizing mental illness in trans people to avoid possible discrimination? Maybe because that person was somehow convinced non binary self identification could heal her but it didn't?
It's very plausible it was actually leftism and trans activism that caused that tragic suicide.
Instead, after several attempts to blame the political right and "transphobia", unsuccessfully, by many people and organizations, you are still at it claiming the cause of suicide was previous bullying, even if the vast vast vast majority of bullied people don't suicide themselves AND you have no actual proof sustained bullying had happened.
If you cram "identity" down people's throats, then a certain percentage of the population is going to want to change their perceived identity and when progress doesn't happen fast enough they'll get depressed and kill themselves. Had the message from society just been to accept oneself as they are then people will be happier with who they are.
I get it.
What if that person committed suicide because of terrible parenting throughout her life?
Or because of mental illness (which is by far the most common root cause of suicide in young people in general) not treated properly? Maybe because of trans activism denying and minimizing mental illness in trans people to avoid possible discrimination? Maybe because that person was somehow convinced non binary self identification could heal her but it
I'm sorry, I'm not in the game of using the tragic suicide of a non-binary student as a way to score points on the internet. Speculate away if you must, but I'm not joining you.
Imagine a model in which a trans identified kid gets worse mental health treatment because mental health professionals are worried about looking like they want to deny the affirmed gender identity at least in part, which is considered absolutely taboo in some circles.
So a mental condition gets minimized and not treated appropriately and can lead to suicide more often than it would have otherwise happened with proper treatment unfettered by the risk of coming afoul with trans activism.
Or from the other side: imagine a mentally ill kid that gets convinced he isn't actually mentally ill rather his problems were about not identifying properly gender wise, who then doesn't look for treatment, or whose parents don't look for treatment, because he gets convinced the gender identity solution was actually all that it was needed to solve the issue.
Or yet, a non mentally ill trans kid gets convinced by trans activism an actual trans genocide is happening (even if that is objectively, utterly, completely false, a totally made up claim with 0 substance) and that causes immense stress on the kid, which is a risk factor in suicide? If I got truly convinced a genocide was happening of people of the group I am part of, I could have snapped in the past as well in moments where my defences were weak because of outside factors.
Don't you see some of the above is possible/plausible at least some times, and in particular in this case?
Don't you see how any of the above would causally link trans activism to that (and others) suicides?
Don't you see some of the above is possible/plausible at least some times, and in particular in this case?
It's also plausible that the kid was going to be late with some homework. Or maybe was bothered by the coming extinction of life on earth caused by a meteor strike.
"Plausible" is doing some heavy lifting in both our scenarios.
It's also plausible that the kid was going to be late with some homework. Or maybe was bothered by the coming extinction of life on earth caused by a meteor strike.
"Plausible" is doing some heavy lifting in both our scenarios.
Don't you think that believing you are extremely oppressed by society, because you have been convinced to be so by people claiming that 24/7 and claiming they represent your interests, coupled with a school suspension for an event you think didn't justify it (a fight you started, but against people who you think deserved that, so actual "proof" you are indeed oppressed by the system), could make someone otherwise weak and with problems snap completly?
Do you think the above is as far fetched and improbable as speculating that the cause of suicide was the fear of meteor strikes? really?
Didace you appear an acute thinker usually, even if you disagree with my tone (and my claims) often enough, why is it so hard for you to admit that the claim "convincing people they are victims of an occurring genocide (that isn't happening at all in any way or form) can cause severe mental distress and everything that is linked to severe mental distress" is obviously true?
Because you know it is.
uke getting on his high horse there is a worse look than had he just ignored you.
All sorts of declarations were made ITT without any corroborating evidence to back it up. This is normal for forum warrior culture, obviously, but it was coupled with some really over-the-top insinuations that anyone who didn't agree with the false narrative was the absolute worst kind of shitbag.
Trans people aren't special. I was bullied in grade school for being freakishly tall and not having as much leg hair as all the cool kids that played in private soccer leagues. Their ringleader was the actual freak of nature and looked like Teen Wolf, but he was cool and I was not. That's just how it works sometimes.
My daughter is also in the 99th percentile for height and went through the same bullying for it.
Didace you appear an acute thinker usually, even if you disagree with my tone (and my claims) often enough, why is it so hard for you to admit that the claim "convincing people they are victims of an occurring genocide (that isn't happening at all in any way or form) can cause severe mental distress and everything that is linked to severe mental distress" is obviously true?
Because you know it is.
I'm saying you have no ****ing clue what happened here and your speculation is made up out of whole cloth.
I hope that helps.
I'm saying you have no ****ing clue what happened here and your speculation is made up out of whole cloth.
I hope that helps.
If a trans identified individual kills themselves I think it's more reasonable to suggest that issues related to identity came into play than other causes like missing homework.
Yeah for sure it's all speculation but some guesses are more reasonable than others.
If a trans identified individual kills themselves I think it's more reasonable to suggest that issues related to identity came into play than other causes like missing homework.
Yeah for sure it's all speculation but some guesses are more reasonable than others.
No they suffer from a mental health issue as do all individuals that take their life