Israel/Palestine thread
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there arent militants at Al Shifa. it does sound likey the assassinated the police officer that was coordinating aid in the North. for obv reasons.
The Al-Shifa hospital thing actually illustrates why there should be no expectation for peace, regardless of what happens to Hamas, as long as the current incentive structure operates. Militants can set up shop anywhere in Gaza and they will be supported by the people. Israel can come in and force militants out, but the second Israel leaves, they will be welcomed back with open arms.
Palestinian society is all in on armed Jihad. They are
Are they welcomed back with open arms or are there consequences to not "welcoming" the militants back?
If Hamas wants to stash some RPG's in my bakery, I'm not sure I want to find out what happens if I tell them to **** off.
Are they welcomed back with open arms or are there consequences to not "welcoming" the militants back?
If Hamas wants to stash some RPG's in my bakery, I'm not sure I want to find out what happens if I tell them to **** off.
But portraying the civilians as being complicit is necessary to justify collective punishment.
Are they welcomed back with open arms or are there consequences to not "welcoming" the militants back?
If Hamas wants to stash some RPG's in my bakery, I'm not sure I want to find out what happens if I tell them to **** off.
You are right. Any Palestinian that told Hamas to "F off" or was seen as collaborating with Israel would face severe consequences. But that is because Palestinian society dictates the rules, and these are the rules Palestinian society chooses.
Hamas had 30,000 fighters, that is probably closer to 15,000 now. That is nowhere near the number (probably not even 20%) necessary to actually control an unwilling populace. Lets say there was some hypothetical where Israel or the US armed a faction of Palestinian militants that were pro Israel. There is zero chance such a group could operate, as there would be no societal buy-in.
Are they welcomed back with open arms or are there consequences to not "welcoming" the militants back?
If Hamas wants to stash some RPG's in my bakery, I'm not sure I want to find out what happens if I tell them to **** off.
Do you think Hamas is holding the people of Gaza hostage against their collective will, and if Hamas decided to pack up and leave, the dynamic of the relationship of Israel would change appreciably?
I don't.
You are right. Any Palestinian that told Hamas to "F off" or was seen as collaborating with Israel would face severe consequences. But that is because Palestinian society dictates the rules, and these are the rules Palestinian society chooses.
Hamas had 30,000 fighters, that is probably closer to 15,000 now. That is nowhere near the number (probably not even 20%) necessary to actually control an unwilling populace. Lets say there was s
As it relates to my previous post, I think it's not unrealistic that they could get the 15k down to 3k between killed and captured. I just don't know what evidence or likelihood there is that 3k isn't 15k again by 2030 (and 30k all over again by 2040).
The day after has to be so robust and compelling that society rejects Hamas. That sounds like the sort of nation building that doesn't really work.
Last numbers I saw were 40% supporting of Hamas, 80% supporting of what happened Oct 7th. Those numbers are months old though.
Do you think Hamas is holding the people of Gaza hostage against their collective will, and if Hamas decided to pack up and leave, the dynamic of the relationship of Israel would change appreciably?
I don't.
I'm not sure that's how it works. I'm sure the majority of North Koreans and even Iranians would like to see new governments but doesn't mean they rise up and rebel with pitchforks and torches.
the cruelty is the point
told yall the airdrops would do more harm than good. how is Victor always right? must be a mystery.
As it relates to my previous post, I think it's not unrealistic that they could get the 15k down to 3k between killed and captured. I just don't know what evidence or likelihood there is that 3k isn't 15k again by 2030 (and 30k all over again by 2040).
The day after has to be so robust and compelling that society rejects Hamas. That sounds like the sort of nation building that doesn't really work.
Last numbers I saw were 40% supporting of Ha
in the british war with its 13 colonies, (1700s-1800s), which side would you support and why?
in the british war against the irish (700- current), which side do you support and why?
Victor, you think receiving an MRE does more harm than....no food?
the cruelty is the point
told yall the airdrops would do more harm than good. how is Victor always right? must be a mystery.
they dont have to eat that stuff. this is anti american propaganda. I guarantee you the kids dont give a **** if some man in the sky told a delusional human being what they can or cant eat.
in the british war with its 13 colonies, (1700s-1800s), which side would you support and why?
in the british war against the irish (700- current), which side do you support and why?
In the Muslim wars of extermination against the Jews of Saudi Arabia and Yemen, which also started around 700, which side do you support and why?
presumably the conditions in gaza are not as bad as concentration camps from WW2. I watched a video of a palestinian dude complaining about his MRE. Personally, I do not think the people in concentration camps would have complained about MREs. Even if 5% of people die(which wont happpen) you need to consider how many would die or be killed from lack of food.
Visregard is not good, but they are just reposting. Definitely click so you can see the community note too.
Starvation === bad
Feeding people === bad
presumably and a cite from 1945 isnt a good example. I have eaten lots of MREs. They are not good for you. They are much better for you than starving.
presumably the conditions in gaza are not as bad as concentration camps from WW2. I watched a video of a palestinian dude complaining about his MRE. Personally, I do not think the people in concentration camps would have complained about MREs. Even if 5% of people die(which wont happpen) you need to consider how many would die or be killed from lack of food.
so x% die from airdrops hitting them. x% die from parachute ropes strangling them. x% die from airdrops destroying hospital infrastructure. x% die from Israeli's sniping them at location. x% die from Israel bombing them simultaneously. x% die from roving bands of criminals due to Israel murdering all of the police. and x% die from refeeding syndrome when a starvation ration is available.
all of these are things that have happened except the last one which will certainly happen soon.
so long as that x% adds up to less than 50, its all good, mission accomplished.
war sucks.we do what we can do limit losses.
well thats what Im saying. we arent doing what we can. 100s of trucks are just sitting there waiting to enter. the airdrops are the wrong food and a drop in the bucket. likewise the aid from sea is miniscule as well.
and thats not even getting into the material pressure the US could apply.
seems that Israel has started to run out of doctors paramedics professors and bakers to murder and are moving on to athletes killing 2 footballers today.
tho I rarely make a mistake, when I do I like to own up to it.
in this case I was quite wrong. you see, Israel has been murdering footballers for decades.
insufficiently tasty survival rations = torture itt
victor i think you are VERY BIASED INDEED against the wonderful country that is the united states
It's almost a lock that as a whole, the food will save more lives than the shitty food kills.
But If Iran wasn't so hellbent spending its billions installing hamas to purposely eradicate it's own self, they'd be the best candidate and the easiest solution to aid Gaza with food. But they don't be cause the truly are pleased with what's taking place.
Instead, you've got a country that Iran wants to destroy, sending some nuts and chews to a demolished place that Iran would like to brainwash into destroying.
