ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
I often am concerned about the language Trump uses for rhetorical purposes, but I agree that the fairest interpretation of this reference is that he was referring to economics. And for that reason, I don't see this as a big deal or an issue that warrants continued discussion.
I tend to agree but I mean, at some point it just doesn’t matter anymore. Trump’s rhetoric at all times is inflammatory, divisive, hateful, designed to scare or anger people against his perceived targets. At worst there’s no subtlety and he clearly calls for violence, racial purity, the jailing and/or death of his enemies, and for his supporters to make hate their priority and that he is their martyr etc etc etc
At best you can parse through his words and be like ‘ok fine, a reasonable person should be able to figure out what he meant’ but that ignores that an overwhelming majority of MAGA are not reasonable people. An overwhelming majority are poorly educated. An overwhelming majority are conspiracy theorists who look for dog whistles wherever they can find it
Don't you remember? Trump dumped NAFTA and then used his business skills to renegotiate basically the same thing.
And now proposes to kill it basically (i am not even sure he realizes that, maybe he thinks he can put differential tariffs for goods produced in mexico by chinese companies, but he can't, not under nafta).
Or maybe he is lying about this proposal, but unlike many other topics were he just says what he thinks gains him votes to say, he has always been very consistently pro tariffs, even well before he entered politics, so i don't think he is lying here.
I tend to agree but I mean, at some point it just doesn’t matter anymore. Trump’s rhetoric at all times is inflammatory, divisive, hateful, designed to scare or anger people against his perceived targets. At worst there’s no subtlety and he clearly calls for violence, racial purity, the jailing and/or death of his enemies, and for his supporters to make hate their priority and that he is their martyr etc etc etc
At best you can parse through
My point is that if people want to go off on Trump's rhetoric (which I agree is deliberate inflammatory and deserving of criticism), you could find hundreds of better examples than his most recent use of the word "bloodbath." If I took the time, I'm sure I could find better examples in that speech.
I agree. Do I that instance is worthy of being blown out of proportion? Certainly not. But I’m sure there are plenty of 8chan, telegram, QAnon, r/Donald or whatever cesspools these clowns use that popped up with ‘ATTN PATRIOTS: TRUMP WARNS OF BLOODBATH! STAND BY!’
How his lunatics perceive his rhetoric, even when it doesn’t apply, is the most alarming thing always to me. Which, I mean, I think we’re talking about different points but still
Also:
“I’ve traveled all over the country — all 50 states — I’ve been in good places and bad places,” the coach-turned-politician said. “The one thing I saw, we are losing our kids to a Satanic cult.”
As part of the same remarks, Tuberville declared, “We’ve lost our moral values across the country. We’ve got to get back to the Constitution, and we have got to get back to the Bible. We’ve got to get God back in our country. There’s not one Democrat that can tell you they stand up for God.”
Tommy Tubberville, an actual United States Senator, brought to you by MAGA
Of course he's talking about a literal bloodbath, are you people dumb? Have you not been paying attention?
Gorgo, you've turned red. I knew you would eventually. Welcome to the MAGA club brother.
It's just standard populist stuff. He was suggesting that he would shield the domestic auto industry from competition (at least in the United States) by being the most protectionist president in recent memory.
Huh, well he isn't president now, and I haven't heard much about the US auto industry suffering recently.
It doesn't seem like an effective strategy to say "this horrible thing is going to happen" when biden wins if it hasn't happened already.
At the end of the day, fascism kills fascists.
Act up
It doesn't seem like an effective strategy to say "this horrible thing is going to happen" when biden wins if it hasn't happened already.
It does if the claim is China is building those factories right now and will commence production shortly.
And btw those factories are really being built.
Trump isn't inventing things in this case, he is just claiming something which is going to happen will be bad.
He is wrong, if you agree with me free trade benefits both nations (the exporting and the importing one), deeply wrong if you believe the benefit is substantial as I do, but it's a different kind of wrong than when he, or others, plainly invent things that aren't happening
FWIW Even tho I think is a total d!ck , trump isn’t that wrong .
Putting tariff for fair trade to counter China cheating (by devaluing their currency) is one of the best solution there is.
China has massive debt , deflation shock and economic problems .
They would love to do so …
It’s a currency war .
FWIW Even tho I think is a total d!ck , trump isn’t that wrong .
Putting tariff for fair trade to counter China cheating (by devaluing their currency) is one of the best solution there is.
China has massive debt , deflation shock and economic problems .
They would love to do so …
It’s a currency war .
Chinese companies (and all major ones are linked to the government) are building factories IN MEXICO, so if you put tariffs those are on MEXICAN GOODS, the USDCNY currency rate has nothing to do with this at all.
Anyway ye I know actual leftists agree with Trump protectionism
Driving through the northern part of a very rural US state this past weekend, and I almost spit out my drink when I saw this billboard.
I can tell you that this area is within an hour of one of the most well-known racist towns in the country (one time home to the knights of the KKK). Serious cult stuff around there. I was happy to get out of there asap.
Chinese companies (and all major ones are linked to the government) are building factories IN MEXICO, so if you put tariffs those are on MEXICAN GOODS, the USDCNY currency rate has nothing to do with this at all.
Anyway ye I know actual leftists agree with Trump protectionism
It has nothing to do with left or right .
It’s about fair trades and free markets ! -> without manipulating currencies but letting free markets to speak .
China devaluing its currencies will just transfer their problems to the rest of the world .
Goods from Mexico by China is less a problem then when it’s build in China .
U.S. and China are competing on the international front too .
U can’t let China wins around the world and hurting US business by doing nothing imo .
But for now China do not seem to want to devalue …
https://apnews.com/article/china-yuan-ex...
BEIJING (AP) — China’s yuan dipped briefly to a 16-year low against the dollar Thursday, raising questions about whether Beijing might weaken its currency to help struggling exporters and reverse a deepening economic slump.
The yuan slid to 7.32 to the dollar before recovering to 7.26 following what financial analysts said appeared to be buying by Chinese banks to support the currency. That made one yuan worth about 13.8 cents.
A weaker yuan helps exporters by making their goods cheaper abroad, but Beijing has promised to avoid “competitive devaluation.” Complaints that China gets an unfair trade advantage by keeping its yuan weak is an irritant in relations with Washington and other governments.
“Will we just continue to see a sort of gradual weakening of the currency?” said Thomas Mathews of Capital Economics. “That might be one of the key channels through which they could actually support the economy.”
I guess will see .
Driving through the northern part of a very rural US state this past weekend, and I almost spit out my drink when I saw this billboard.
I can tell you that this area is within an hour of one of the most well-known racist towns in the country (one time home to the knights of the KKK). Serious cult stuff around there. I was happy to get out of there asap.
I hope they concentrate on fixing 2020 first, instead of focusing on winning the next election.
The orange dotard has moved the window
Fascist maundering is a new norm. When he's not glitching and delivering the likes of..'antisemitism and pro--turd wah wat you doing?'
It has nothing to do with left or right .
It’s about fair trades and free markets ! -> without manipulating currencies but letting free markets to speak .
China devaluing its currencies will just transfer their problems to the rest of the world .
Goods from Mexico by China is less a problem then when it’s build in China .
U.S. and China are competing on the international front too .
U can’t let China wins around the world and hurting US business
The USA bailed out its entire automotive industry in 2009, so arguments that china is "cheating us" with government supported currency-devaluation is one-sided. The US later went after Airbus for the same thing it itself did with the automotive industry - government financial subsidies. It's absurdly hypocritical.
The USA bailed out its entire automotive industry in 2009, so arguments that china is "cheating us" with government supported currency-devaluation is one-sided. The US later went after Airbus for the same thing it itself did with the automotive industry - government financial subsidies. It's absurdly hypocritical.
bailing out an industry with subsidies and devaluing its currency for the whole world market its entirely different.
its fine if they do it, all im saying its just normal countries will raise tarrifs to counter it.
ps: and china been doing it multiple times over 2 decades...
We live plenty high on the hog. This country would benefit from some personal austerity, a little discipline and privation, and far less indulgence of all kinds
bailing out an industry with subsidies and devaluing its currency for the whole world market its entirely different.
its fine if they do it, all im saying its just normal countries will raise tarrifs to counter it.
ps: and china been doing it multiple times over 2 decades...
Yes, China has devalued their currencies many times, as have many other countries....and the US is still at the top economically.
If people want to sell us their stuff for cheap, I'm all for that, and I don't think it hurts the US. Protect some industries that are essential for national security, but apart from that, let the inexpensive imports come in, they can enjoy their pieces of paper.
bailing out an industry with subsidies and devaluing its currency for the whole world market its entirely different.
its fine if they do it, all im saying its just normal countries will raise tarrifs to counter it.
ps: and china been doing it multiple times over 2 decades...
I agree, they are different - if the US hadn't interfered with free markets then China wouldn't have a USA automobile industry to compete with, which hysterically we now claim they unfairly compete against.
If you think our government's interference with free markets is limited to the two recent examples I gave then you're still drinking the Kool-Aid our politicians are selling you.
Yes, China has devalued their currencies many times, as have many other countries....and the US is still at the top economically.
If people want to sell us their stuff for cheap, I'm all for that, and I don't think it hurts the US. Protect some industries that are essential for national security, but apart from that, let the inexpensive imports come in, they can enjoy their pieces of paper.
What makes a country strong economically is not to have low prices from overseas but to actually have jobs that are profitable for everyone .
What makes a country strong economically is not to have low prices from overseas but to actually have jobs that are profitable for everyone .
The US still has plenty of jobs, with the lowest unemployment rate of any developed western nation I believe.
Personally I would prefer to be able to get cheap imports without having to work a dangerous factory job.
