Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Hamas didnt fire any rpgs from hospital windows.
BGP do you think your posts are biased towards one side or unbiased
In this topic they are obviously biased towards Ukraine.
No I don't believe I'm biased in that thread.
You asked this before, I answered. The answer is still "yes". What does this have to do with Ukraine?
oh now I get it. you live in an absolute fantasyland if you think I am defending torturing the guy.
Let's recap. I said:
Nasty vid circulating on x-twitter showing what appear to be Russian security forces cutting off a crocus attack suspect's ear and forcing him to eat it.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
To which you replied
nasty vid of those guys straight up executing people, including a large group cowering in a corner.
So again wtf does this even mean? As that very very clearly implies the torture was justified. You wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. And right now we don't even know if the suspect with his ear lopped off is one of "those guys" and the point still remains that every time you castigate Israel, anyone can just respond with
nasty vid of those Hamas guys straight up executing people, including a large group cowering in a corner
by your own reasoning.
however, this part doesnt make sense. if they wanted to keep their ears and not get tortured or lessen the torture, then this is about the worst story they can tell bc it is quite obv bullshit.
Indeed and maybe the Russians told them to say it so they can blame it on Ukrainian paymasters, that ever occur to you?
maybe!
Yeah could definitely be Chechens. I think the assumption is that ISIS is in areas like that.
The gunmen are probably Chechens, and Russia is no stranger to Islamist terrorism from that quarter, and ISIS-K has a huge beef with Putin over his support for Assad. It's wildly improbable that ISIS-K has any friendly relations with Ukraine, so Russian state media's attempts to blame Ukraine simply show that Russia, like the Third Reich, is an empire run to suit the fantasies of a madman. And Putin deliberately ignored US warnings about just such an attack, so he's got his own arse to cover, and his terrified courtiers are busy trying to do that for him.
I read they are Tajik. Putin does not want any kind of disunity at the moment so who knows what he will say.
why does it even matter?
they could be from anywhere, muslims are everywhere.
if Im not mistaking its all the same club, there isnt anything else.
georgia? Uyghurs? the chechens who are extremist muslims fought in afhanistan and syria etc against the russians and got their asses kicked.
and now they came back and are out of work. so yes it could be some chechens, or not. what does it matter?
Chechens are in Ukraine.
oh yeah that makes sense, thanks
yeah chechens are everywhere, my friend got robbed by probably chechens in the middle of europe. they are mercenaries imo in ukraine, etc. and drug traffickers, basically involved in a lot of crime mafia style. so yeah ukraine could have paid them. Imo you cant rule that out.
no I mean they were fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia in this war.
but like BGP said, all reports thus far say these guys are Tajik.
What the hell is ISIS-K?
no I mean they were fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia in this war.
but like BGP said, all reports thus far say these guys are Tajik.
yeah good point.
but you believe these reports?
thats only the chechens who are against russia.
there are chechens, the majority now, who are pro putin and pro kadyrow. and then there the other chechens who are totally against russia and etc. these are the extremist muslims chechens.
they should not conflate these two groups, imo and say "chechens". there are two groups of chechens. imo they are fighting for whoever pays them more. and then they sell all these billions worth of weapons on the blackmarket and etc.
no I mean they were fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia in this war.
but like BGP said, all reports thus far say these guys are Tajik.
actually there should not be chechens who fight alongside ukraine at all.
bc chechnya is pro putin and kadyrow by law.
but like I said, these must have been mercenaries who fight for whoever pays them more.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58...
Theoretically they're Afghans or Pakistanis, but terrorist organisations, like cancer, tend to metastasize. The arrested men are claimed to have Tajik ID documents, but terrorists do not always carry correct ID and Russian state media are not altogether reliable.
thought it was common knowledge that the West funded them to fight against Syria
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58...
Theoretically they're Afghans or Pakistanis, but terrorist organisations, like cancer, tend to metastasize. The arrested men are claimed to have Tajik ID documents, but terrorists do not always carry correct ID and Russian state media are not altogether reliable.
this is def true about the passports. Israel has done a ton of terrorism with fake passports.
seems pretty likely he was tied up with intelligence in some way. Epstein too ofc.
