Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
If Ukrainians weren't all warmongering nazis imagine how many times they wouldn't have invaded Russia.
Ukrainians arent warmongering Nazis. however, the warmongers are snatching the normal people off the street and forcing them to be sacrificial slaves for no good reason. its a really sick situation and shows the depravity of the West and its cheerleaders.
Right. Ukrainians led a nazi coup in 2014 then kept electing nazis and continue to support those nazis overwhelmingly but it's only the leaders who are nazis. Very consistent.
Meanwhile the depravity is supporting a country in defending itself against an imperialist invasion, torture, rape, forced deportations, kidnapping children, etc... but it's not depraved to parrot every justification for that invasion and those depraved acts, including dehumanizing the victims as nazis.
Right. Ukrainians led a nazi coup in 2014 then kept electing nazis and continue to support those nazis overwhelmingly but it's only the leaders who are nazis. Very consistent.
Meanwhile the depravity is supporting a country in defending itself against an imperialist invasion, torture, rape, forced deportations, kidnapping children, etc... but it's not depraved to parrot every justification for that invasion and those depraved acts, including
bruv, you are the one that defends Israel. not me.
Lol think about that comparison for a second...
There was no coup. There is no nazi battalion. Once again these are attempts at vilifying the victims of actions similar to what nazis did by claiming the victims are the nazis and not the ones murdering, raping, forcefully deporting, kidnapping and brainwashing etc.
There was no coup. There is no nazi battalion. Once again these are attempts at vilifying the victims of actions similar to what nazis did by claiming the victims are the nazis and not the ones murdering, raping, forcefully deporting, kidnapping and brainwashing etc.
they gave the nazies the big guns so they can overtake the gov with a putch. it was a bloodbath, they lid people on fire alive. thousands of innocent people were killed, all opposition, by who? by nazies...
EURO-MAIDAN in 2014 where hundreds of innocent people, students, and protestors were killed started it all.
thats what started the madness, (including shot down passenger planes with almost 300 people onboard in 2014) the balance was disturbed bc of the outside interference. (as always in foreign conflicts imo)
There was no coup. There is no nazi battalion. Once again these are attempts at vilifying the victims of actions similar to what nazis did by claiming the victims are the nazis and not the ones murdering, raping, forcefully deporting, kidnapping and brainwashing etc.
At least they're attempts by posters who pretty much nobody takes seriously. I think the majority of posters itt aren't buying Putin's bullshit which is heartening.
Washoe: per your article, 108 protestors, 13 police died. The trade union had 50 or so dead. That is well shy of "thousands" and the vast majority were protestors, not "opposition". Opposition is a strange word to use for the pro-Russian side since the president was a Russian stooge who gave himself dictatorial powers and tried to sell his country to Putin which is why he was being ousted.
Yanukovych shipped in Russian snipers and military to kill the protestors. He had over 600 of his private paramilitary defend his house which didn't exist on paper. The protestors had small arms and molotov cocktails. The Nazis with the big guns were Russian.
There was one shot down passenger plane. This was shot down by a Russian freebooter who was sent in to stir up a rebellion in Ukraine to give Putin pretext to invade. Trying to blame that on Ukraine is truly disgusting.
Your post is packed with inaccuracies. Do some research which isn't straight up Russian propaganda.
Who burned the people alive in the trade union?
no its not.
the one inconsistency there was you just found.
yeah it was hundreds at the maidan demos. who shot the students though? you dont know that imo.
who shot down the plane? you dont know that imo. it must have been someone crazy, so im tipping on nazies. who are the nazies? its the crazy nationalistic ukrainians imo. the ones we saw since 2014 with
the swastikas and asov and etc.
you have to check on what ukrainian politicans have been murdered, who? its the pro-russians imo and a lot of them. by who? nazies
after 2014, when ukraine became fed up with corruption and Zele,
some, if not the majority wanted back, wanted to end this anti russian course, becuase it only brought them trouble. then the opposition got murdered. they just wiped out every politician thats pro russia. on what planed do you think that is cool? yea and it was nazies, asov who got backed.
the nornal course would have been they go back to pro-russian politics, that would have been the normal route which even the majoritiy of ukranians wanted to do. but then they just straight up murdered this opposition and it was gone. and thats where we are at now.
There was a generator that blew up in the trade union. Both sides were throwing molotov cocktails at each other.
40 of the 48 protestors killed in the massacre had the bullets traced to Yanukoych's police forces. So I think it's safe to say we do know who killed them: the police force shooting guns at them.
We do know who shot down the commercial plane. The guy bragged about shooting down a plane, then removed the brag when it was identified as a commercial plane and not a Ukrainian transport. There were then investigations which all concluded it was Girkin, who was sent by Putin to orchestrate an uprising in Ukraine to give Putin pretext to invade. He was also the only one present with tech capable of shooting down a plane, given to him by Putin.
Ukraine did not "wipe out" every pro Russian politician. Nazis do not play a major role in the government. Azov at its high point had 5% of votes, when they were propped up by a pro-Russian politician. Afterwards they fell back to under 2%.
The people who didn't get murdered weren't murdered by Nazis. You're just inventing ****.
Once again, these are attempts at dehumanizing victims by calling them nazis in order to justify an invasion, mass executions, rape, sexual violence, forced deportations, torture, kidnapping and brainwashing of children etc., or in other words the nazi actions you two pretend to be against.
you cant confirm any of this.
just look at a list of pro-russian politicans murdered in ukraine. the ones that coulnt escape to russia got murdered, right? what else?
its that easy. and you know by who then. its probably asov nazies or even worse seperatists.
If it should be easy to verify then start verifying instead of taking Putin at his word and just assuming it was Ukrainian nazis.
What you're doing here definitely isn't verifying, it's victim blaming for some of the worst crimes imaginable.
Ukraine did not "wipe out" every pro Russian politician. Nazis do not play a major role in the government. Azov at its high point had 5% of votes, when they were propped up by a pro-Russian politician. Afterwards they fell back to under 2%.
The people who didn't get murdered weren't murdered by Nazis. You're just inventing ****.
It doesnt matter how tiny a fraction is or how small you think it is.
Not when its so powerful and is doing all the fighting.
They are asov, the only good fighters ukraine has?
they do all the fighting and get celebrated everywhere.
people were outraged when asov spoke in the greek parlament, the canadian parlament and everywhere. they are nazis against everyone else, the russians, poles, rumanians, everyone they just straight up ....
of course they murder politicans all the time left and right, even in moscow
"Kyiv said it orchestrated the assassination of a pro-Kremlin Ukrainian politician on Wednesday after the body of the ex-lawmaker who had defected to Russia was found outside Moscow." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illia-kyva-...
Pretty much all of that is false.
https://www.reuters.com/world/after-veto...
After veto, Russia says big powers need to stop 'strangling' North Korea
It’s Russias fault that Ukraine got invaded. Putin can’t be trusted. Ukraine is not full of Nazis. Ukraine does have a far right ultra conservative , golden dawn anti Jewish battalion called the azov battalion and Ukraine refuses to break the unit up or rename it.
It’s Russias fault that Ukraine got invaded. Putin can’t be trusted. Ukraine is not full of Nazis. Ukraine does have a far right ultra conservative , golden dawn anti Jewish battalion called the azov battalion and Ukraine refuses to break the unit up or rename it.
That battalion fights under a Jewish president, so it can be as much rightwing as you want but it isn't antisemite
