Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by rafiki P

I like it when that happens 😀

It was predictable. Are they both right or are they both wrong?

eta: I guess that's unclear because mets probably thinks Houthis are Iran, but Israel is not the USA and Victor probably thinks the opposite on both.


Maybe, just maybe, "Israel should be wiped from the planet" as your nation's tenet isn't the best way to go, looking at you too Iran

Yes what they're doing is stomach churning and gross af, but they're biblical bros, God's chosen bunch, so they're just smiting as is written.

And for all you saying "what about all the other genocides (Africa)" those aren't being jammed down everyone's throats 24/7, so either learn how marketing/propeganda works or stfu with that


by microbet P

Are Israelis the USA?

Obviously not


by GameofPwned P

Maybe, just maybe, "Israel should be wiped from the planet" as your natuon's tenet isn't the best way to go, looming at you too Iran

Yes what they're doing is stomach churning and gross af, but they're biblical bros, God's chosen bunch, so they're just smiting as is written.

And for all you saying "what about all the other genocides (Africa)" umm thise aren't being jammed down everyone's throatss 24/7, so either learn how marketing/propegan

I guess this is pro-Israel, but is pretty much just calling Israelis a bunch of backwards religious fanatics. Any of the Israel war hawks in this thread going to +1 this and "**** yeah, smite their asses Hashem!"?


Israel is an extension of the USA. dont believe the twitter hype about who is pulling the strings.


by lozen P

I always thought Immigration would hurt Biden the most but I am curious if the Israel/Palestine issue hurts him more. Gonna kill him in Michigan

I can imagine the protesters at the DNC

I think it will hurt him in Michigan, but not for why you think.

It's the Jewish vote that Biden is losing.


by microbet P

I guess this is pro-Israel, but is pretty much just calling Israelis a bunch of backwards religious fanatics.

duh?


i mean you have to be a raving lunatic to willingly go live in a barren desert next door to about a hundred million people who consider it their number one godly duty to drive you into the sea


by rafiki P

I think it will hurt him in Michigan, but not for why you think.

It's the Jewish vote that Biden is losing.

bc most Jews dont like genocide?


by BOIDS P

i mean you have to be a raving lunatic to willingly go live in a barren desert next door to about a hundred million people who consider it their number one godly duty to drive you into the sea

Idk man, Isreal seems like a potentially amazing neighbor. Smart people, great food, booming economy, super hot chicks. It's almost like driving for their demise is a lose lose situation


by Victor P

bc most Jews dont like genocide?

That is not why Biden is losing the Jewish vote.


Ahh, they want more genocide. Sad.


Where is there any evidence that Biden is losing the Jewish vote? Can't find any polls.

I expect he will still do well among Jews, but will lose some Jews because of too many bombs sent to Israel and some other Jews because he said things about Israel killing too many people.

Lots of Jews at both kinds of protests/rallies in the USA.


by microbet P

Where is there any evidence that Biden is losing the Jewish vote? Can't find any polls.

I expect he will still do well among Jews, but will lose some Jews because of too many bombs sent to Israel and some other Jews because he said things about Israel killing too many people.

Lots of Jews at both kinds of protests/rallies in the USA.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it is not correct.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/new-...

In Canada we are seeing the same. Tidal wave of switch from left to right.

It's all I hear about in the community. The flippening.

PP is going whole hog to the opposite of Trudeau over here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-...


Strategically in the Jewish community, the understanding is obvious. The antisemitism on the right is mostly just mouth breathers of very little danger to Jews. The antisemitism on the left though, comes from powerful educated influential people. So when forced to choose, easy choice.

That Trump and PP project to win must be of some comfort to Israel.


I googled polls for Jews and the last general poll said they were sticking with Biden. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/43...

You're poll I guess says different in that sample.

The front lines of the ceasefire protests are full of Jews too. It's polarizing to some extent.


by rafiki P

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it is not correct.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/new-...

In Canada we are seeing the same. Tidal wave of switch from left to right.

It's all I hear about in the community. The flippening.

PP is going whole hog to the opposite of Trudeau over here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-...


Strategically in the Jewish c

these people are insane.


by rafiki P

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it is not correct.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/new-...

In Canada we are seeing the same. Tidal wave of switch from left to right.

It's all I hear about in the community. The flippening.

PP is going whole hog to the opposite of Trudeau over here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-...


Strategically in the Jewish c

As a gentile who knows actual anti semites, be wary on the right as well.

Yes the left is so obscenely anti semite these days, blatantly so, genocidal even (in refusing to admit the survival of Jews in Israel requires terrorists to be killed) that you could minimize the deep hatred of Jews on the right.

But there are plenty of people on the right as well who look at Israel v Gaza as we look at south American crime gangs killing each other. They despise both people and just hope they mutually genocide themselves


by microbet P

I googled polls for Jews and the last general poll said they were sticking with Biden. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/43...

You're poll I guess says different in that sample.

The front lines of the ceasefire protests are full of Jews too. It's polarizing to some extent.

It's simply too small a (vocal) minority to matter much

by Luciom P

As a gentile who knows actual anti semites, be wary on the right as well.

Yes the left is so obscenely anti semite these days, blatantly so, genocidal even (in refusing to admit the survival of Jews in Israel requires terrorists to be killed) that you could minimize the deep hatred of Jews on the right.

But there are plenty of people on the right as well who look at Israel v Gaza as we look at south American crime gangs killing each other. Th

I don't doubt that they're dangerous on the right. But I think it would take 2 decades from them to get anywhere close to being the issue the left is presently for Jews.


How have leftists hurt Jews in North America? I got the one case of a pushing fight in LA where someone fell and hit their head. Compare that to the right and Pittsburgh.


by microbet P

How have leftists hurt Jews in North America? I got the one case of a pushing fight in LA where someone fell and hit their head. Compare that to the right and Pittsburgh.

This really tells me everything about the social circles you frequent and the media you consume. I'm not casting any judgement here, it's just extremely telling.

It's not just that I don't have the stamina to explain this to you. It's that I doubt I would get there even if I tried. Let's just leave it, and check in with each other on this point every few years.


by rafiki P

This really tells me everything about the social circles you frequent and the media you consume. I'm not casting any judgement here, it's just extremely telling.

It's not just that I don't have the stamina to explain this to you. It's that I doubt I would get there even if I tried. Let's just leave it, and check in with each other on this point every few years.

I consume the media in this thread and I've seen the counts of antisemitic incidents and the posters of hostages ripped down. But show me leftists killing Jews. And Jihadis are right wing bro.


Dude who murdered 11 people in the Pittsburgh synagogue


"HIAS [Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society] likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."

Jews will not replace us? Sound familiar?



Micro there are sound ideas in these 4

https://theconversation.com/antisemitism...

https://time.com/6763293/antisemitism/

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/ant... (if you math, you will understand why)

https://jcpa.org/mission-impossible-repa... (surprisingly well done)


But I can send you a podcast that will save you all the reading. This is the last i'll bother on this.


by rafiki P

Micro there are sound ideas in these 4

https://theconversation.com/antisemitism...

https://time.com/6763293/antisemitism/

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/ant... (if you math, you will understand why)

I mentioned the fight that happened in LA. Just show me another incident of someone on the left murdering Jews in North America.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_Gl....

This Christian Identitarian might not get listed in antisemitic attacks because when he went to a JCC and a temple to shoot people the 3 that he killed weren't Jewish.


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