Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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No wonder vic is an antisemite. bless his heart, there were signs, but he's deep into the conspiretad stuff
I mean you cut it off at the best part
PIJ formed as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and was influenced ideologically in its formation by the Islamic regime in Iran. It is a member of the Alliance of Palestinian Forces, which rejects the Oslo Accords and whose objective is the establishment of a sovereign Islamic Palestinian state.[6] It calls for the military destruction of Israel and rejects a two-state solution.[7] The organization's financial backing has historically come mainly from Syria and Hezbollah.[8][9] Since 2014, PIJ has seen its power steadily increase with the backing of funds from Iran.[10]
Social services
Islamic Jihad also control dozens of religious organizations in the Palestinian territories that are registered as NGOs and operate mosques, schools, and medical facilities that offer free services.[62] Like other Islamic associations, these are heavily scrutinized by the Palestinian National Authority who have shut some of them down.[62] In one Islamic Jihad kindergarten graduation, children dressed up in military uniforms, waved guns, shouted anti-Israel slogans, and spoke of blowing themselves up to kill "Zionists".[63][64]
Islamic Jihad also operates dozens of summer camps for children. They have opened up 51 summer camps which attracted approximately 10,000 children in 2010.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to be a so called "leftist" and support a fascist theocratic organization who explicitly states it will follow religious doctrine and resort to murder, apartheid and slavery to deal with a religious minority group once it gains power.
mets, I think if Israel ended the occupation then things would work out eventually. probably sooner rather than later.
I can understand the alternate viewpoint that there can never be a free Palestine. but you need to understand that such an agenda necessarily involves apartheid, oppression, ethnic cleansing, and ultimately as we are seeing, genocide.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to be a so called "leftist" and support a fascist theocratic organization who explicitly states it will follow religious doctrine and resort to murder, apartheid and slavery to deal with a religious minority group once it gains power.
every accusation is an admission.
like, to be clear, this is exactly how Israel operates today.
Yep. And, of the 2 parties, you have simply chosen the alternative would-be fascist theocracy, while claiming Islam has nothing to do with it, its only motivation a resistance to occupation. Cept the jews were there 1st.
Add in a dash of anti-imperialism, the strangest of bedfellows regionally, and you're sound as a [strike] moran with political fascination[/strike] pound!
every accusation is an admission.
like, to be clear, this is exactly how Israel operates today.
Like I said, the cognitive dissonance on display is astounding.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Twice the wars with half the resources awaits. Don't fret, luckbox
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Is the WHO even trying to deny Hamas is using hospitals as bases of operations? Or are they just straight up telling Israel to leave Hamas be now?
This is a guess, but probably the latter. They've acknowledged that Hamas uses hospitals before.
The WHO's main concern now is the famine, and having hospitals out of service to deal with that is obviously bad.
Is the WHO even trying to deny Hamas is using hospitals as bases of operations? Or are they just straight up telling Israel to leave Hamas be now?
It's been my position since oct 8 if Hamas is operating out of hospitals the IDF needs to nut up and clear them the hard way with minimal bombing. If you've cleared all the rest of Gaza with just hospitals left, figure it out. Thought you were supposed to be some elite army?
Looking at you Golan brigades
They aren't using hospitals as bases. Jesus you guys are so brainwashed.
It's been my position since oct 8 if Hamas is operating out of hospitals the IDF needs to nut up and clear them the hard way with minimal bombing. If you've cleared all the rest of Gaza with just hospitals left, figure it out. Thought you were supposed to be some elite army?
Looking at you Golan brigades
I mean, it does look like they are cleaning the hospitals out one by one with pretty hard fighting. Hamas has been releasing videos to that effect themselves.
I don't even know what "minimal bombing" means. Does it matter if the hospitals are destroyed by grenades or bombs when Hamas fighters are intentionally blending into the civilian population?
When "the hard way" translates to dead troops it becomes incredibly difficult to justify. No one leading the attack against Hamas in the hospitals would willingly up the casualty rates of their own troops. I'm guessing you'd have to go pretty high up the chain to command to actually reach someone who is willing to begin ordering that the military intentionally handicap themselves and increase their own casualties so the hospitals are still functional.
It's unlikely that there's a good option here.
The good option is not to do genocide. But maybe it will work out bc people like you believe all of their lies.
