The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I know you didn't read a word of the report and you are likely just pasting bits others have noted.
Nice try, but I read the key elements of the report this morning UK time before any of the news networks or social media had picked it up.
It's not a study it's a report, so you clearly either haven't read it or don't know the difference.
The studies performed have been too limited in scope to provide a reasonable base of evidence to support either side of the argument.
Perhaps, but only "one side of the argument" is advocating using experimental treatments and drugs on mentally ill children.
How is it even possible to think of giving puberty blockers (or in some cases even surgery ) to gender disphoric minors if you aren't absolutely sure it will help them very significantly on average, given the permanent damage involved in case you are wrong?
One side of the argument is "you don't even think about mutilating minors unless you are willing to bet your life it's indispensable to do so, and very clearly, transparently, to their be
I want care to be available for these individuals. If that means a flawed approach is taken until a better approach is reached then so be it.
Cracking eggs to eventually make the omelet is generally considered a necessary part of the process.
You just want all treatment to be shut down. End of story. That isn't how progress gets made.
Nice try, but I read the key elements of the report this morning UK time before any of the news networks or social media had picked it up.
It's not a study it's a report, so you clearly either haven't read it or don't know the difference.
Perhaps, but only "one side of the argument" is advocating using experimental treatments and drugs on mentally ill children.
Enjoy the vacation
I just have to revisit the absurdity of this comment like we don't have medical trials or experimental treatments or leading edge development.
We have medicine out there where the side affects are nearly as bad as the symptoms and its up to the individual to decide if they want to deal with that.
It’s as predictable as it is satisfying to see the personal attacks. Now the Cass report has destroyed your position, it’s all you have left.
lol, it's not a personal attack, it's a simple observation about your posting. If you'd even bothered to glance at the summary you'd find that nothing in that report "destroys" any position; it's loaded with qualifications and it constantly points out that the current studies are extremely limited.
I mean, this happens over and over, you cite a study, lie about its contents, wash and repeat.
Perhaps, but only "one side of the argument" is advocating using experimental treatments and drugs on mentally ill children.
What do you mean by "mentally ill children?"
How is it even possible to think of giving puberty blockers (or in some cases even surgery ) to gender disphoric minors if you aren't absolutely sure it will help them very significantly on average, given the permanent damage involved in case you are wrong?
Puberty blockers aren't expected to cause any permanent side effects.
lol, it's not a personal attack, it's a simple observation about your posting. If you'd even bothered to glance at the summary you'd find that nothing in that report "destroys" any position; it's loaded with qualifications and it constantly points out that the current studies are extremely limited.
I mean, this happens over and over, you cite a study, lie about its contents, wash and repeat.
Guys , again, even the doubt suicide ideation doesn't drop massively is more than enough to completely destroy all narrative about how purportedly, not doing those procedures "kills trans youth".
Again, onus of proof is fully on the claimant, a report claiming "we actually know almost nothing" is an indictment of everyone who lied about "science" being behind those treatments.
I want care to be available for these individuals. If that means a flawed approach is taken until a better approach is reached then so be it.
Cracking eggs to eventually make the omelet is generally considered a necessary part of the process.
You just want all treatment to be shut down. End of story. That isn't how progress gets made.
The bold is not how you deal with healthcare on individuals who can't decide legally by themselves.
I want minors to be protected from abuses and ideological motivated actions.
Adults have to protect themselves in my model of the world, but not minors.
And btw I am talking about protecting those who end up actually not being trans after all years down the line.
You have no right to crack even a single one of them no matter how many actual trans you think Yoh can end up benefiting.
he's talking about kids who are not actually trans, just having an episode and instead of treating the underlying mental issues they are instead taking the statements of a 12 year old at face value and that same day proceeding with gender affirming care
he's not calling trans children mentally ill
You can't know for a certainty they are actual trans until much later, so in a probabilistic sense trans youth doesn't actually exist.
A portion of minors self identifying as trans will end up being trans, but a whole lot won't.
And until and unless we develop a way tod determine, objectively, which is which, it's incredible to put the interests of those who end up being actually trans above the interest of those who don't.
Primum non nuocere, you don't treat them as trans unless you are absolutely certain they are trans, and you can't be, for minors.
I'm trying to think of any other subject where we could justify abandoning the whole because 1% of that whole is perceived as problematic
Adapting world views for the lowest common denominator is objectively a bad thing
It’s as predictable as it is satisfying to see the personal attacks. Now the Cass report has destroyed your position, it’s all you have left.
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of course the mods don't see it that way because they agree you are only posting that stuff out of bigotry because their position is unassailable in their minds and no new information from any source will change anything in their minds
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of course the mods don't see it that way because they agree you are only posting that stuff out of bigotry because their position is unassailable in their minds and no new information from any source will change anything in their minds
Again, the culmination of the 'report' was that GIDS was ran incompetently and the available scientific data is lacking.
Hardly a destruction of any position.
It would help if you guys read the things you are using to dunk on people
Again, the culmination of the 'report' was that GIDS was ran incompetently and the available scientific data is lacking.
Hardly a destruction of any position.
It would help if you guys read the things you are using to dunk on people
Again, the lack of scientifical data proving beyond reasonable doubt those procedures massively help "trans youth" is more than enough to destroy the position of everyone who ever claimed "science" supported those procedures.
I'm trying to think of any other subject where we could justify abandoning the whole because 1% of that whole is perceived as problematic
Adapting world views for the lowest common denominator is objectively a bad thing
Some people don't do amniocentesis because you lose the fetus 1 in a couple of thousands times when you do it.
But anyway the portion of kids that at least once claim to be trans and end up not being trans is massively higher than 1%
coordi, i did read it - i also enjoyed that vid
Again, this distinction between “actual” trans vs trans identifying - it’s not going to stand the test of time either. The soul is not gendered with one gender and not the other. If you promote the idea of “actual” trans, you’re part of the problem.
This is not me claiming trans doesn’t exist. It exists, obviously. A bio male can identify as a female and claim a trans identity. What is not true is the idea that this person is, at the deepest level, more female than male.
Gender identity is not a solution to the problem because the problem at the root isn’t about gender. Life is compelling humanity to go deeper. We are being exposed for our lack of wisdom and young people are suffering for it.
