The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
Big lie, desistors are a huge portion, majorities among kids ffs.
1%? Have you ever read a single paper on the topic?
Jfc how big can your bad faith be?
I had to google desistor and it seems anti-trans agenda made up a word to push their propaganda, just like social contagion.
Unsurprisingly, all the google hits for the word lack any sort of statistics and just push that it is a thing.
Again, the culmination of the 'report' was that GIDS was ran incompetently and the available scientific data is lacking.
Hardly a destruction of any position.
The Cass Review does destroy the entire premise on which GIDS was based, that is, the medicalisation and 'transing' of troubled young people who were mostly just gay. These medical abuses (inflicted on children who were disproportionately autistic or in-care and therefore under the control of ideologically motivated adults) will no longer continue. The implications are large.
I had to google desistor and it seems anti-trans agenda made up a word to push their propaganda, just like social contagion.
If you didn't know that 'social contagion' is a well documented psychological phenomenon that used to be called 'mass hysteria', or sometimes 'mass suggestion', I don't know what to tell you.
If you didn't know that 'social contagion' is a well documented psychological phenomenon that used to be called 'mass hysteria', or sometimes 'mass suggestion', I don't know what to tell you.
Social Contagion in the context of trans discussion is basically pushing the concept that LGBTQ individuals are indoctrinating children to their side.
in criminological contexts, “desistence” is used to denote the cessation of offensive or antisocial behavior. The term was adopted by conservative clinicians as a descriptor for gender-nonconforming children who grow into cisgender adulthoods (whether they were coerced into doing so through corrective therapies or simply changed their minds).
If you think these words and contexts aren't incredibly intentional then I don't know what to tell you
The subtext is the loud part with you people. It always comes back to hand waving, lowering social standing, and dehumanizing.
I had to google desistor and it seems anti-trans agenda made up a word to push their propaganda, just like social contagion.
Unsurprisingly, all the google hits for the word lack any sort of statistics and just push that it is a thing.
Lol , use Google scholar , desistance prepuberal trans.
Jfc the bad faith
Buddy, the only statistics I can find on one of your desistor sites is this
For decades, follow-up studies of transgender kids have shown that a substantial majority -- anywhere from 65 to 94 percent -- eventually ceased to identify as transgender.
Thats objectively made up numbers. AKA Bad faith.
Quite literally the most ungenerous study I could find on the subject is 2.5% detransition rate. I've seen as low as .5% in larger studies
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/healt...
You can make **** up and shout bad faith all you want but you haven't posted a single fact on the subject
Keep talking solo, I already deal with victor infinite bad faith in the other thread, I won't deal with trans activist victor here
I don't have to prove anything the entire onus of proof is on the people who claim those procedures with permanent significant side effects are necessary for minors.
Prove to me no actual non trans kid has been or will be sterilized with your approach.
Prove to me you have a way to objectively determine trans ness (and you are willing to bet your life on it) in a 13y old.
Yeah I'd throw in the towel if I were you too. Getting ****ing crushed for a month straight on a topic would be incredibly humiliating and demoralizing
Long the pro minor mutilation crusader thinks he crushes.
"Not a big deal if we crack some eggs" that's maoist.
And so, that's inimical to all core values of life and humanity, and should be treated accordingly by law. We will reach that in time.
For the time being, the procedures you like are being banned in more and more countries, that's a good enough trend for me.
Then I hope some places will start going against the physicians who lied about "science" to the full extent of the law.
It doesnt look like puberty blockers are likely to cause any long term affects and even if there was a risk, id rather have the doctor and the individual make that decision than an outsider setting the rules for them. If its your kid than make your case, if it isnt then stay out of it
I just dont understand how they managed to **** up sports so bigly. It was an absolute ****ing disaster.
Ye who could think delaying puberty 3-4 years would ever have any permanent effect at the very least mentally, I must be crazy to believe that is very probably the case.
And btw after blockers come hormones, which sterilize you
I had to google desistor and it seems anti-trans agenda made up a word to push their propaganda, just like social contagion.
Unsurprisingly, all the google hits for the word lack any sort of statistics and just push that it is a thing.
Amazing how invested the anti-trans people are in this. Luciom is basically without sympathy for almost anyone in the world aside from something like big business owners, himself, maybe close family (give him the benefit of doubt) and I guess desistors.
Amazing how invested the anti-trans people are in this. Luciom is basically without sympathy for almost anyone in the world aside from something like big business owners, himself, maybe close family (give him the benefit of doubt) and I guess desistors.
I have Luciom on ignore for.awhile now because of his garbage opinions on everything here but tend to not log in on my iPad so I read his latest rounds here today. I think you guys have hit it on the head, his only solution is no treatment by edict. He sees no value in doctors and patients making medical decisions on their own after weighing the risks and benefits of each step. It’s funny that the anti trans unit here doesn’t worry about puberty blockers being given to preteens for other medical reasons. Luciom also seems to think that every person who ever takes one dose of hormones is permanently altered, injured and infertile, which is a pretty ridiculous assertion.
Why he picks these area to spew about constantly, other than Fox News, is anyone’s guess.
Amazing how invested the anti-trans people are in this. Luciom is basically without sympathy for almost anyone in the world aside from something like big business owners, himself, maybe close family (give him the benefit of doubt) and I guess desistors.
Fascists need people to bully, transgender people are particularly vulnerable, so they make a great target for Lucio, much like immigrants.
but tien, he's a good guy remember, not a despicable pos, because we determine these things not by their conduct as people but by which sides they champion ldo
welcome to the thread 😀
It doesnt look like puberty blockers are likely to cause any long term affects and even if there was a risk, id rather have the doctor and the individual make that decision than an outsider setting the rules for them. If its your kid than make your case, if it isnt then stay out of it
I just dont understand how they managed to **** up sports so bigly. It was an absolute ****ing disaster.
I agree with this mostly.
The pendulum went too far when they let people that were born male compete in female sports. Women are fighting back now and its slowly reversing. NAIA just banned all trans from competing in against females by 20-0 vote.
I want care to be available for these individuals. If that means a flawed approach is taken until a better approach is reached then so be it.
Cracking eggs to eventually make the omelet is generally considered a necessary part of the process.
You just want all treatment to be shut down. End of story. That isn't how progress gets made.
The usual response to this sort of argument is "where's the omelet"?
Ye who could think delaying puberty 3-4 years would ever have any permanent effect at the very least mentally, I must be crazy to believe that is very probably the case.
And btw after blockers come hormones, which sterilize you
Its really hard here.
If I had a kid that looked and acted normal in every way his/her entire life and then slowly started coming out that something was off and wrong... Many parents aren't going to just ignore it.
There has to be a reasonable spectrum here. Lopping off tits and penises at 12 years old? Probably a bad idea.
I have Luciom on ignore for.awhile now because of his garbage opinions on everything here but tend to not log in on my iPad so I read his latest rounds here today. I think you guys have hit it on the head, his only solution is no treatment by edict. He sees no value in doctors and patients making medical decisions on their own after weighing the risks and benefits of each step. It’s funny that the anti trans unit here doesn’t worry abo
Ummm.... is the protocol for transing children to give only one dose of hormones? If not, what does your argument have to do with anything.
Let's just break it down simply:
Does going down the protocol of being transed result in permanent infertility for at least some of the victims? If yes, then do you agree that no child should be subjected to that protocol, for no reason other than gender identity issues, under any circumstnces?
Its really hard here.
If I had a kid that looked and acted normal in every way his/her entire life and then slowly started coming out that something was off and wrong... Many parents aren't going to just ignore it.
There has to be a reasonable spectrum here. Lopping off tits and penises at 12 years old? Probably a bad idea.
It's not a binary choice between "ignoring your kids' issues" and "putting the kids on medication that may result in infertility." There's no spectrum here. Your 12-year-old daughter says "I think I'm a boy." You say "However you want to live your life is fine with me, I'll always love you no matter what, and I'll always support you through anything you go through, but I won't support you going through any treatments that might result in permanent damage."
Let's just break it down simply:
Does going down the protocol of being transed result in permanent infertility for at least some of the victims? If yes, then do you agree that no child should be subjected to that protocol, for no reason other than gender identity issues, under any circumstnces?
Chemotherapy kills 13-25% of patients depending on cancer type, so by your logic it shouldn't be used as a treatment protocol? Of course not. You let the patient and treating medical doctor determine the options.
It's not a binary choice between "ignoring your kids' issues" and "putting the kids on medication that may result in infertility." There's no spectrum here. Your 12-year-old daughter says "I think I'm a boy." You say "However you want to live your life is fine with me, I'll always love you no matter what, and I'll always support you through anything you go through, but I won't support you going through any treatments that might result in pe
In this scenario, when you say, “I’ll always love you” to your tomboy daughter now claiming to be a boy, who is the “you” being addressed?
How often have you affirmed the soul of your daughter? How much effort have you spent assisting your daughter in bridging the gap between her self and soul?
Absent this, by the time your daughter reaches this point, the male gender identity has already taken over the self, so the response you’ll likely get will be some variation of, “How can you say you love me when you are denying my existence!?!”
And no, it's not just one treatment of hormones but Luciom writes as if upon the first treatment the patient is on an irreversible, unstoppable path to permanent injury and infertility.
