The costs of trans visibility

I'd guess like 80% of the regs here are probably somewhere on the spectrum.

I'm not challenging you, I'm just trying to discuss something.

Ok, so someone besides a patient and their doctor have input on what is available for treatment. Should doctors be allow to prescribe a drug for any use once it's approved for a specific use? I'm of two minds on this. Of course they should, but then what about the opiate situation. There's got to be some limit. I think that's the question here - where's the line and should that line ever be moved?

he has never once discussed anything - only dictates from up on high that you are a stupid bigot if you don't know the truth like he does - best put on ignore, he contributes absolutely nothing of any value and is only here to lay out insults and tell people they are wrong

Correct. And there is also no reason to think they should suffer from gender dysphoria.

Yet autistic girls especially are far more likely to be diagnosed with GD, as well as less substantiated things (to put it charitably) like non binary.

Here is a story from the notorious right wing propaganda outlet, NPR.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/15/114931866...

I'm still not wrapping my head around why diagnosed neurodivergence having a higher chance of being non-binary is shocking to you.

Do you know what neurodivergence means?

Careful with these takes there are people who have been banned for talking like that

There is a difference between calling someone mentally ill and talking about brain chemistry deltas in a population of 8 billion

A gender neutral asexual person isn't anything except is

Are those of you digging your heels in unwilling to consider the possibility that gender affirmation as a solution has been built on a foundation of propaganda? Is that a pill too bitter to swallow?

Are you still placing new bets that gender affirmation will hold up or is your posture about rationalizing your past bets?

There needs to be a grace period for people to wrap their heads around the amount of lying that has taken place in support of gender affirming care, but tolerance will be short lived if people are still placing bets on exposed lying.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if the current treatments are considered archaic in the future. That is the path to progress.

The solution isn't to write them off as crazy, or a fad, or marxist, or whatever it is you guys want to write them off as. They deserve treatment and care and to be taken serious.

You are willing to listen to anyone except the LGBTQ people themselves.

And honestly, I am in an unalienable stance. I literally can't be wrong here. Treat them like humans, with respect and empathy. EZ Game

So it’s something like, “Maybe it’s true that the people I labeled as transphobes were right about the propaganda, but I care more about the marginalized than they do, so I’m still good and they’re still bad, and that’s the truth which ultimately matters.”

You are, in fact, wrong to imagine this.

Are people who claim puberty blockers don't cause long term effect talking strictly from a physiological standpoint, or also from the perspective of the kid who spent his/her formative preteen years living a very different existence than everyone else, and probably feeling like a weirdo?

There are no long term physical side effects of me eating all of my meals without using utensils, but there are definitely consequences.

That is what the Cass Review has found. The explosion in GIDS referrals -- mainly teenage girls, where the previous much smaller cohort was pre-teen boys -- was obviously a social contagion manipulated by ideologically motivated clinicians and 'social workers' exploiting the vulnerable young, who were disproportionately autistic or in-care and almost always simply gay and having trouble adjusting to it. It was already known that these gender issues resolve themselves during puberty if the patient is left alone to work things out. 'Puberty blockers' are immediately and irreversibly harmful, are not trialled or approved for that purpose, and should not be prescribed. The clinicians who prescribed them were oddballs and seriously out of order. 'Affirmation-only' was obviously mad and bad. And Dr Cass does not confine herself to under-17s. She suggests that 17-25s should not be processed in 'adult gender clinics' either. (Human brain development is not complete till age 25.)

It's over. The US, with its commercial healthcare system, may lag, until the danger of litigation becomes fully apparent, but it's over.

Try Ethiopian food sometime.

As with everything, that's the trick.

I should probably clarify that I don't actually do that, and am aware that many people in the world have no choice but to eat with their fingers.

An American teenager taking their first girlfriend out to Olive Garden is going to be in for an awkward time when that bowl of Zuppa and their Tour of Italy shows up, though.

Affirmation is the beginning of the solution, but these kids need to be affirmed as a human being with potential due to having a soul. Not affirmation of a gender identity. Ok, I’m done.

Obviously if there is 7x autistic people and astronomical suicide rates that exceed other rainbow groups, prisoners, minorities, (iirc slaves) etc it's not some factoid but something notable worth thorough investigation

As far this post goes, explain how trans differs from how you should treat someone with anorexia

Then it’s strange that you don’t ever identify any regulations despite my repeated requests. I can’t think of very many areas we regulate medical procedures or research out of existence other than stem cell research, marijuana as a medicine and abortion.

My understanding is that they have no idea what the long term effects are.

Iirc Sabine Hossenfeilder discusses it in her video about some of the bogus studies that have been published.

Somehow I don’t believe you. After 50 years, we don’t know the long term effects or you don’t know?

Two minutes of google work:

While puberty blockers have been scrutinized by some due to their use in caring for transgender children, these drugs have been in use since the 1980s and are overwhelmingly safe if used appropriately. Side effects such as bone health risks typically only occur with prolonged use past the age of puberty.Jan 16, 2023

Puberty Blockers: What You Should Know | Cedars-Sinai

Cedars-Sinai

He was asking about the psychological effects.

2 mins of Google revealed...

Doctors who promote the practice did a study finding that the effects were positive. Later, that there was no effect.

An independent researcher reviewed their data and found the results were mixed, but slightly more likely to be negative.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-66842352

They only reviewed 44 cases, so probably none of it means much of anything.

I'm pretty skeptical of the claims that there are no physical effects as well, but if there are good studies by objective researchers, I'll accept them.

There are a lot of trans people fully against minor transitioning but they aren't radical leftists so they have far less exposure.

There are also trans people against mtf in sports, and trans people who don't think men can get pregnant or that a trans woman is a woman.

Oh and also, LGB have nothing special to talk about T and their voice is worth the same as everyone else, and it's time we stop abusing that ****ing meaningless letter soup as it meant anything

Jfc jiju is using studies proving puberty blockers are fine to use to have puberty come at the appropriate time, to justify using puberty blockers to delay puberty un-naturally .

Cordii is justifying lobotomy of the schizophrenic because otherwise we stop progress