Israel/Palestine thread

well I can think of a lot of people cant tour there

dont really care about the official IOF stance. they lie a lot. as for "radical democracy", well I cant think of a lot of people that cant be part of that democracy.

lol cmon. I hear the green zone had a Mcdonalds and a gym and walking path so I guess it was not military.

Nice, insulting a woman who was murdered in the terrorist attack you're defending and had dedicated herself to "pursuing peace in the region" and "would drive sick Palestinians from Gaza to Israeli hospitals."

Really showing your colors. You've been radicalized by Tankie Twitter. This nonsense belongs in the conspiracy containment thread, along with the conspiracies about Ukrainians being Nazis. Absolutely ridiculous.

semantics like usual from you

ofc, massacring civilians is terrorism when Hamas may at worst done so at a 50% but we know for a fact that Israel is around 90% civilians killed. then we can get into the overall numbers.

your bias is showing like usual.

These aren't semantics. Your definition is way off from the actual definition and you can't prove how they fit in any way. This is all in an attempt to justify murdering civilians. Now you are attempting to move this to the bad things Israel has done (which I don't defend anyways) in an attempt to deflect from the current conversation.

Israel could 100% genocide the entirety of Gaza, that would not change the fact that October 7th was a terrorist attack. I would not defend either of those actions, this is to show that what you're trying to move the conversation towards is in no way important to the discussion at hand. Your bias is showing.

Also ironically, this is the same tactic that Israel uses. Any time their current war crimes are brought up, they say "But October 7th!" And here Victor is when discussing October 7th and saying "But their current war crimes!" I'll refer you back to the original post on this topic:

Thanks for proving it, over and over and over and over again.

the Gazans done want peace as slaves. they want freedom and justice.

no justice, no peace. thats how most people think.

And that means you should insult a woman who was murdered in a Gazan terrorist attack even though she wanted peace with Gaza and had dedicated her life to that goal, including doing things like driving sick Gazans to hospitals? What point do you think you're making?

Im sure she was a nice person. and I am sure the women throwing crumbs to their colonialized subjects was a nice person too.

but I mean, how would you feel if you were a Gazan that needed this lady to drive you to a hospital?

would you have a little bit of resentment that you need to rely on her for that? that this women who is living on your grandfathers land is now necessary for your survival?

you think the actions of this one women nullify the decades of oppression and murder and theft?

I haven't said anything which remotely suggests that. I commented on you insulting a victim of a terrorist attack who had dedicated herself to a cause you believe in too.

driving Palestinians to hospitals means **** all for "peace". was she advocating to end Zionism and working to dismantle it? was she working for a one state solution where all are equal with freedom of movement?

no justice no peace.

You ignored the question. I think it's pretty clear why. You believe she is worthy of insults after her death despite her good deeds for a cause you believe in, yet you have done far less than her to further that cause.

I never said you did. did you miss the question marks?

how would you feel if you were a Gazan that needed this womens charity and support to stay alive or for your kids to stay alive?

but lets look at if she dedicated herself to a cause that I would support.

well its not looking good considering she is a full on Zionist to start.

maybe she changes! gotta say, Im kinda doubtful considering she moved from Canada to an Israeli forward defensive kibbutz.

ok nothing really interesting in the rest of the wiki. she was in a bunch of liberal programs but it looks like she remained fully committed to Israel and the status quo.

I absolutely do not believe in her cause

Per your article:

You're literally saying she deserves to be insulted after death for being in groups you don't like. You have no idea what her views were, or what the beliefs of any of those things she was involved with were. Instead of judging her based on her actions you are judging her by the group she belonged to. This is textbook prejudice. You have still not answered the question.

The difference between you and her is that she belonged to a group you do not like, and even though her actions are greater than yours, that makes her worthy of insults.

its not prejudice to infer someone's beliefs from the multitude of groups they joined or started.

it is an actually an action to start or join or support Zionist groups, albeit softer Zionist groups.

it looks like she wanted those uppity Palestinians to just chill and be happy with a few crumbs.

Do you think following 1300 years of persecution the Jewish people, especially the Arab Jews expelled from their communities in the last 80 years, should be pursuing justice against the Arab world?

Gonna put forth my own conspiracy theory:

Today for the most part you've been replying to me within a few minutes. You spent 16 minutes after the last one. I bet you spent that time searching for anything incriminating in the organizations she was in, couldn't find anything, so just came back and made a blanket statement about how awful she must be.

(This is mostly joking. I bet some effort was put into it though.)

It's prejudice. You see the word "Zionist", and even though it's from late 60s and early 70s, assume that it means the same thing as it does today. You then infer that since she was involved in those groups that she holds the same belief set as the groups today, despite you already using prejudice to assume what those groups believed in. Her actions mean nothing; only the groups she was a part of matter, even if you know nothing of those groups or if they were 50 years ago. Pure prejudice.

in general, if they wanted to move back to their ancestral homes then I think they should be allowed to

And where is that? Anyplace but Israel, I bet

Pretzelized!

no I didnt look them up. if they are Zionist then it is incriminating enough.

if someone joins a pro-Putin group but also helps out some Ukrainians with medical care, what would think of that person?

right I think they can stay in Israel ofc. but they need some reeducation.

and for those 16 minutes I was reading this article

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/come-out-...

I might screenshot it soon

but whooo boy the Israelis did a lot of murder at Al Shifa. real sick stuff.

Eat my kosher ass first