Israel/Palestine thread
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Biden said "don't" and they did. Now what? Is this the same weak threat that Obama made drawing a line in the the sand? Countries like Iran don't fear the Democrats.
Biden said "don't" and they did. Now what? Is this the same weak threat that Obama made drawing a line in the the sand? Countries like Iran don't fear the Democrats.
No leaders respect Biden . I am not sure how you come up with the fact countries do not respect democrats . Sure Obama allowed Russia to take Crimea and not follow up on the red line threat to Syria and under Biden they went and took the rest of Ukraine and Hamas invaded Israel and now were on the verge of a middle east war. But under Trump look at all the wars that happened under his presidency .
Big picture, we're pretty close. I'm just not excusing this slaughter of 30,000+ people and displacement of 2 million because Israel is generally better than every Muslim state. Again, if for any other reason, the blowback will be devastating.
It's a war in an extremely dense region. The leaders of the Gazan people care less about them than the Israelis. Israel could take it more easy on them but that would just invite more attacks. Israel knows it needs to be brutal in it's response. Arab nations need to know what's gonna happen if they attack. The press is very anti Israel so it's not shocking how many people are brainwashed into thinking the Israelis are the bad people. The truth is, both sides would like to wipe the other out. Don't hate Israel because they happen to be stronger.
oh jfc this bullshit again
why do liberals love genocide so much?
No leaders respect Biden . I am not sure how you come up with the fact countries do not respect democrats . Sure Obama allowed Russia to take Crimea and not follow up on the red line threat to Syria and under Biden they went and took the rest of Ukraine and Hamas invaded Israel and now were on the verge of a middle east war. But under Trump look at all the wars that happened under his presidency .
WW3 is going to start bc Biden gave Israel no red lines. the only slight blip of reduction of genocide happened after Israel brazenly assassinated the white aid workers. (proly bc Dems were worried they couldnt get Tapas at brunch in DC from the chef anymore but I digress).
Iran is not attacking bc they dont respect the strength of Biden and the USA. they are retaliating bc Biden made it clear that Israel can bomb their sovereign territory and assassinate their generals without repercussions. if they are gonna get murdered anyway, they may as well fight back.
you guys are insane if you think Israel could be supported even more than GenocideJoe has done.
Biden said "don't" and they did. Now what? Is this the same weak threat that Obama made drawing a line in the the sand? Countries like Iran don't fear the Democrats.
Promised 70-some-odd virgins for killing infidels, would you fear anyone on planet Earth?
It's a war in an extremely dense region. The leaders of the Gazan people care less about them than the Israelis. Israel could take it more easy on them but that would just invite more attacks. Israel knows it needs to be brutal in it's response. Arab nations need to know what's gonna happen if they attack. The press is very anti Israel so it's not shocking how many people are brainwashed into thinking the Israelis are the bad people. The
In war, there are no ethics, OK. You know you can justify 9/11 with the same bullshit.
still my president
Big picture, we're pretty close. I'm just not excusing this slaughter of 30,000+ people and displacement of 2 million because Israel is generally better than every Muslim state. Again, if for any other reason, the blowback will be devastating.
I don't know if this is true or not. There are a lot of Muslim states, and most of them aren't Iranian proxies committing constant atrocities. But Israel does appear demonstrably better than all the countries attacking it right now.
I don't know if this is true or not. There are a lot of Muslim states, and most of them aren't Iranian proxies committing constant atrocities. But Israel does appear demonstrably better than all the countries attacking it right now.
Sure but the attack on millions of lives and property is crossing the line. They wanna take out Hamas on the ground, go for it. Invade Lebanon, go for it. Bomb Iranian military installations, fine.
But targeting civilians to send a message is terrorism.
EDIT: I said a couple of times and I'll repeat it. I oppose a total ceasefire.
Donny tha Dove!
WW3 is going to start bc Biden gave Israel no red lines. the only slight blip of reduction of genocide happened after Israel brazenly assassinated the white aid workers. (proly bc Dems were worried they couldnt get Tapas at brunch in DC from the chef anymore but I digress).
Iran is not attacking bc they dont respect the strength of Biden and the USA. they are retaliating bc Biden made it clear that Israel can bomb their sovereign territor
No he gave them a red line as clear as the red line Obama gave Syria . He was clear stop it and if you don't ill keep sending you 2000lb bombs and 500lb bombs and jets but Ill build a dock for aid to expose a 1000 US troops as sitting ducks.
liberals gonna be so mad when Trump brings peace to the middle east
BGP, this is what I meant
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_e...
Jordanian jets shot down dozens of Iranian drones flying toward Israel, sources say
That's the future of the region. That's the path out.
I agree 100%. I think my first post ITT was about how UAE condemned the Oct 7th terrorist attack, which is a huge step forward in this kind of thing.
I think where we differ is in assessing how much Israel has hurt their own path out with how they've conducted themselves in Gaza. To make things even worse, I do not think Israel will even accomplish the campaign's goals.
I agree 100%. I think my first post ITT was about how UAE condemned the Oct 7th terrorist attack, which is a huge step forward in this kind of thing.
I think where we differ is in assessing how much Israel has hurt their own path out with how they've conducted themselves in Gaza. To make things even worse, I do not think Israel will even accomplish the campaign's goals.
why do you think Israel should be able to bomb Iran with impunity?
also, if Iran bombed Israel with no provocation, as Israel did, what do you think the response should be?
Sure but the attack on millions of lives and property is crossing the line. They wanna take out Hamas on the ground, go for it. Invade Lebanon, go for it. Bomb Iranian military installations, fine.
But targeting civilians to send a message is terrorism.
10/7 was a total effort by the Palestinian population. A lot of the Jihadis who murdered Jews (and martyred themselves in the effort) weren't Hamas. A lot of the hostages weren't captured by Hamas. Of the hostages that were, a lot were handed over to non Hamas supporters.
For attacking an extremely popular guerrilla force on their hostile home turf, I am not sure you could actually do better targeting fighters than Israel has done. If Israel conducted the war like you think it should, it would accomplish absolutely nothing except getting its own soldiers killed in much higher numbers.
Your "attack the regime but not the people" strategy might be more valid against the IRI (Iran regime), which is not a guerrilla force and is not popularly supported at home. But against the Palestinian people it would be a useless strategy, as Hamas is the will of the people.
I know this is the most minor thing ever, but no "cope" did arise as a meme term from the Ukrainian conflict.
No leaders respect Biden . I am not sure how you come up with the fact countries do not respect democrats . Sure Obama allowed Russia to take Crimea and not follow up on the red line threat to Syria and under Biden they went and took the rest of Ukraine and Hamas invaded Israel and now were on the verge of a middle east war. But under Trump look at all the wars that happened under his presidency .
Democrats are weak on crime and weak when it comes to foreign affairs. When it comes to regional issues like this I'd much prefer a more Conservative President in the White House.
He is going to bring peace by persuading the rest of the Arabs to normalize with Israel, isolating the Palestinians. I think it would actually be a positive development, as without financial, martial and moral support the Palestinian cause would collapse and they would have no choice but to make peace.
But I don't see how you would view this as a positive.
I know this is the most minor thing ever, but no "cope" did arise a meme term from the Ukrainian conflict.
ok where did it arise from? thats when I first started seeing. all your NAFO boys talking **** about Russians that died (cope cages) and about any analysis that made it seem like Russia would win. they will win ofc.
but thats all beside the point. where did this sort of meme language come from?
ofc Bruno is correct, but the premise that liberals want to avoid war is wrong. they love war and genocide. its their favorite thing to do. ask Dun how many genocides happen.
I am kind of surprised the Iranians retaliated and fell into it but maybe they are dumb or maybe as ligastar surmised, they have some deterrence.
I do wonder if Trump would let it get to this. maybe bc he surrounded himself by psychos like Bolton and Pompeo. but on
What happened to the good old days when embassies were respected? It wasn't too long ago you could chop up a member of the press in your embassy and no one would gaf.
Sure but the attack on millions of lives and property is crossing the line. They wanna take out Hamas on the ground, go for it. Invade Lebanon, go for it. Bomb Iranian military installations, fine.
But targeting civilians to send a message is terrorism.
EDIT: I said a couple of times and I'll repeat it. I oppose a total ceasefire.
They are not targeting civilians to send a message. Do you really believe that?
