Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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Another one who can't read.


Lol you get more like vic every day, you'll be banging on about teh dead babies next. 😆


by rafiki P

I'm going to ask you all to ponder this.

If right now there were 30,000 dead Israelis in this conflict, any combination of IDF and civilian, would you or anyone else still call this a genocide?

Same exact results on the Palestinian side otherwise.

Now be honest with yourselves, and come back with your answer. What would history call that situation?

Of it would be genocide, but we all know that the US would pick off such activities before it ever got to that point. Same exact results including 80% displacement.

Can we remind the thread that the definition of genocide is "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"? Not the Nazi holocaust and only the Nazi holocaust.

I'd rather you just admit it's genocide and that you're fine with it because reasons.


by rafiki P

I'm going to ask you all to ponder this.

If right now there were 30,000 dead Israelis in this conflict, any combination of IDF and civilian, would you or anyone else still call this a genocide?

Same exact results on the Palestinian side otherwise.

Now be honest with yourselves, and come back with your answer. What would history call that situation?

by jalfrezi P

What differentiates genocide from casualties during the course of a war is the exertion of a power imbalance removing an identity/culture/ethnicity from a location.

This is simply not the case. There will be Palestinians in Gaza long after this, and in greater and greater numbers as the trends have gone over the years.

If Israel lost 30k people and not a thing changed on the other side, nobody would say a thing. The issue here is purely of "imbalance", not of actual acts on the ground.


by corpus vile P

Lol you get more like vic every day, you'll be banging on about teh dead babies next. 😆

to be quite honest with you I try to avoid TV news on this (and for a while in general) because it's more than I can take. Quite a lot more. So I don't know or want to know about dead babies.


by gs3737 P

Didn’t you hear? jalfrezi said it was fine, and to prove his point, spoke to his Jewish neighbors lol.

no doubt they agree with everything he says for as long as it takes for him to **** off and leaves them alone

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mayor of london has arranged an urgent meeting with the head of police, and has described the incident as 'concerning'

no comment from the major on whether the jew in question is the kosher tommy robinson. perhaps that part of the investigation is ongoing? or maybe it doesnt matter, and the issue at stake is whether the police should be acting in this way


by jalfrezi P

My real Jewish neighbours >>>>>>>>>> your fictitious Golders Green dwelling relative.

I get you’re salty that you looked stupid.

But it’s infinitely more likely that your Jewish neighbors (that you talked to) are fictitious.

You clearly hate Jews.


So many tears over a genocide financier not getting arrested but crickets when Germany rounds up a bunch of Jews. I think it's pretty clear which side hates Jews.


Bit anti-Semitic of member of the Genocide Society #3737 to equate being anti-Israel with hating Jewish people.


by BOIDS P

I hereby add antisemitic to your previous and long-standing crime of being a humorless bore. Card marked x2

Yep and Jews like microbet and cross defend his antisemitism as confusion


by jalfrezi P

Bit anti-Semitic of member of the Genocide Society #3737 to equate being anti-Israel with hating Jewish people.

lol @ you criticizing the reading comprehension of others.

You clearly hate Jewish people. That doesn’t have to do with people who are actually anti-Israel.

Jews feel unsafe in London, but it’s ok…Jafrezi says they’re FOS.

American Jews have relatives in London—nope, Jafrezi says that they’re also FOS.

Seems like every Jew is a liar to you, unless they agree that Israel winning a war is genocide.

Keep crying…


by jalfrezi P

Bit anti-Semitic of member of the Genocide Society #3737 to equate being anti-Israel with hating Jewish people.

No but it is my friend, it is.

When you deny the rights of the ONLY Jewish homeland, you are what you are. I'm sorry, we do not believe you.

If you were anti Ukraine, you would be anti-Ukrainian. I don't care that there are millions of Ukrainians living abroad.

But here is the secret

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Actually, we don't care as much as we show in here. Because we've always been hated.

When we were among the most powerless people on earth for thousands of years, we were hated. This concept of Jewish power (soft and hard) is very recent. So between being hated when we were powerless vs being hated now, I take this forever and ever. We don't mind that you hate us. All we mind is that you lie about it.

Be honest with it, for once in your lives. That's all we expect from you. We'd respect you much more. I respect a Hamas guy with clear intentions much more than half the mixed stuff we see in here. At least they have conviction and honesty in their dislike for Jews.


by gs3737 P

Jews feel unsafe in London

Please cite polls or something reputable (not your invented relative) showing this.


Well said Rafiki.


by rafiki P

No but it is my friend, it is.

When you deny the rights of the ONLY Jewish homeland, you are what you are. I'm sorry, we do not believe you.

If you were anti Ukraine, you would be anti-Ukrainian. I don't care that there are millions of Ukrainians living abroad.

But here is the secret

sadly this is true. Israelis have stolen antisemitism.


by rafiki P

No but it is my friend, it is.

When you deny the rights of the ONLY Jewish homeland, you are what you are. I'm sorry, we do not believe you.

If you were anti Ukraine, you would be anti-Ukrainian. I don't care that there are millions of Ukrainians living abroad.

But here is the secret

Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism now? That's a new development.


by jalfrezi P

Please cite polls or something reputable (not your invented relative) showing this.

Denying the existence of Jews is the most anti-semetic thing ever.

No matter how times you cry about it, it’s no less true.

And it isn’t even a stretch (like a terrorist lover like you discussing issues with your Jewish neighbors), but you’re clearly a crybaby ignoramus.


by gs3737 P

Denying the existence of Jews is the most anti-semetic thing ever.

No matter how times you cry about it, it’s no less true.

And it isn’t even a stretch (like a terrorist lover like you discussing issues with your Jewish neighbors), but you’re clearly a crybaby ignoramus.

you keep denying the righteous Jews who stand with Palestine.


by jalfrezi P

Please cite polls or something reputable (not your invented relative) showing this.

You can try and listen?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67266475

British Jews are 'full of fear, like I've never seen before'

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/20...

Last week, the Community Security Trust published its latest report on antisemitic incidents. It made for deeply disturbing reading. It showed that there were 4,103 instances of anti-Jewish racist hatred recorded across the UK in 2023.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr...

‘We always feel unsafe’: London’s Jewish community share fears as area hit by vandalism after Israel attacks

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/20...

More people have been on these marches than there are Jews in Britain. The CST has had impact statements from British Jews explaining that they feel unsafe living in this country and are changing dates of hospital appointments, forbidding their children to get on the train, and so on.

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiff-unive...

Cardiff University's Jewish students ‘feel unsafe walking between lectures’

https://jewishinsider.com/2023/11/london...

In London, Jews hiding in plain sight
Students are taking off their yarmulk
es and families are taking down their mezuzahs as the war in Gaza intensifies and antisemitism soars

But keep telling us things about how Jews feel. Please do.


by jalfrezi P

Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism now? That's a new development.

You wont read it. But you should

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/a...

Defining antisemitism: Why anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism


And you'll notice that people who aren't the biggest Gaza fans are frequently called islamaphobic...


by Victor P

you keep denying the righteous Jews who stand with Palestine.

Aren’t you the one who denied October 7th??


by metsandfinsfan P

River to sea means genociding the jews.


What does it mean when Likud says it?


by rafiki P

You can try and listen?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67266475

British Jews are 'full of fear, like I've never seen before'

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/20...

This guy is beyond help. Legit.

Also, London Jews feeling unsafe has nothing to do with Zionism.

Bc it isn’t about that, it’s about Jew hatred.


by jalfrezi P

Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism now? That's a new development.

it does now.

there needs to be a new term for the previous meaning of antisemitism. Israelis stole antisemitism.


by Bill Haywood P

What does it mean when Likud says it?

not once in 6 months have these guys addressed this and it gets brought up like weekly.


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