Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by metsandfinsfan P

I'll retype it idk what happened

Victor is this true?

All the Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel are hostages
Almost all of the hostages held by hamas are pows because they served in military at some point
All of the gazans dead are civilians because there is no hamas army
All of the israeli dead are military because all Israelis besides those who have an exemption are military
Any hostages left are military or Israel killed them
Hamas di

by Victor P

no not really


Which part(s) do you disagree with

I'm pretty sure you've made every statement i wrote there


I can go one by one if you would like


by metsandfinsfan P

Which part(s) do you disagree with

I'm pretty sure you've made every statement i wrote there

When Vic says “no”, “not really” or “lol,” the convo is obv over.

He’s probably scrambling on twitter to find some bs to deflect.


by gs3737 P

When Vic says “no”, “not really” or “lol,” the convo is obv over.

He’s probably scrambling on twitter to find some bs to deflect.

He's said or alluded to each statement

I'm guessing when i put them all together he realized how ridiculous they were and now he's ignoring it?


by metsandfinsfan P

He's said or alluded to each statement

I'm guessing when i put them all together he realized how ridiculous they were and now he's ignoring it?

That’s one of his three moves.

The others are to blatantly lie or deflect. He’s not very complex.


New York City Mayor Eric Adams said Tuesday authorities have identified “outside agitators” causing problems at the mostly peaceful student protests at Columbia, NYU and other schools in the city.

“We can’t have outside agitators come in and be disruptive,” the mayor said at a news conference Tuesday.

“We need to address this while it’s a spark. Let’s not wait until it’s a blaze,” Adams said. The mayor's administration will be meeting with the heads of universities Tuesday to go over best practices for how they can keep students protesting peacefully.

A key part of that, he said, is keeping protesters who are not students off the campus. That may mean sharing intel by identifying some known protesters to the universities.


The fact that the tents at all of the schools were the same exact tent tells you that people outside the campuses are organizing these


by gs3737 P

That’s one of his three moves.

The others are to blatantly lie or deflect. He’s not very complex.

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ha ha i is the imaginary number used in complex numbers I'm a math nerd


by gs3737 P

I did. You falsely accused zionists of something, and then when called out on it, discussed the validity of the signs.

Again, feel free to apologize for lying.

I said I agreed. .

by gs3737 P

Hamas can’t locate 40 hostages for a deal. You say it’s because Israel killed them all.

Show me proof that Israel killed (# of total hostages - 39).

how do you think they died? and show me proof lol.

its overwhelmingly likely that the side dropping bombs and executing hostages killed the others.


Maybe if i said the word Jew instead of Israeli he wouldn't have said no not really.

Shrug


by metsandfinsfan P

He's said or alluded to each statement

I'm guessing when i put them all together he realized how ridiculous they were and now he's ignoring it?

no all of your statements are absolutes and things I have never said.


Victor

All the Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel are hostages

Agree or disagree


Oh you like the word most you don't say all so you can have an out

I get it now

Except that I'm sure you think all of the Palestinian prisoners should be released

And that all Israelis like genocide

And that All detergent is better than Tide


by metsandfinsfan P

Victor

Just about All the Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel are hostages

Agree or disagree

Better?


by Victor P

I said I agreed. .

how do you think they died? and show me proof lol.

its overwhelmingly likely that the side dropping bombs and executing hostages killed the others.

You agree on what?? That you lied??

I don’t need to speculate as to how they died.

Hamas kidnapped them, and now can’t account for them. The burden isn’t on anyone else.

You’re the one making statements on why the hostages can’t be “located,” maybe back it up with actual facts.


by metsandfinsfan P

Oh you like the word most you don't say all so you can have an out

I get it now

Except that I'm sure you think all of the Palestinian prisoners should be released

And that all Israelis like genocide

And that All detergent is better than Tide

not all Israelis like genocide lol. some are anti-Zionist. I think like 10% didnt agree with the mass murder.


by gs3737 P

You agree on what?? That you lied??

I don’t need to speculate as to how they died.

Hamas kidnapped them, and now can’t account for them. The burden isn’t on anyone else.

You’re the one making statements on why the hostages can’t be “located,” maybe back it up with actual facts.

ofc I didnt lie.

Hamas has said the hostages died by bombing. Israel has admitted to executing 3 of them. the releasted hostages said they were terrified of the bombing.


by Victor P

ofc I didnt lie.

Hamas has said the hostages died by bombing. Israel has admitted to executing 3 of them. the releasted hostages said they were terrified of the bombing.

You didn’t lie when you said zionists are the ones holding up signs that said “by any means necessary??”

Yes, Israel said they accidentally killed three of them. Now let’s discuss the other 100+ Hamas can’t account for.


by Victor P

not all Israelis like genocide lol. some are anti-Zionist. I think like 10% didnt agree with the mass murder.

So only the Israelis that are against a jewish state are against genocide?

Fascinating


Also not 100% sure why you say lol when you make these ridiculous statements, but FYI it's probably a tell


by gs3737 P

You didn’t lie when you said zionists are the ones holding up signs that said “by any means necessary??”

Yes, Israel said they accidentally killed three of them. Now let’s discuss the other 100+ Hamas can’t account for.

ofc thats not a lie

Israel killed most them with bombs imo according to what has been reported

happy now?


by metsandfinsfan P

So only the Israelis that are against a jewish state are against genocide?

Fascinating

well I would guess the 10% are not all anti-zionists but maybe


by Luciom P

Then how did pacification happen with Japan and Germany?

Looks to me like if you actually annihilate, and prove you can annihilate, and disintegrate inimical government, and military occupy the ruins until they rebuild a totally different country, you can pacify

I'm no WWII expert at all. My expertise is in post-WWII ME and counterinsurgency but I'd assume the overwhelming allied forces destroying more people and property than what Israel is doing was a driving force.

You're talking about bringing the enemy to heel via hundreds of thousands of deaths (maybe a million), engaging for more with Hezbollah and Iran militarily, a total destruction to more than just Gaza, plus a rebuild effort.


by Victor P

ofc thats not a lie

Israel killed most them with bombs imo according to what has been reported

happy now?

How is that not a lie??

You even backtracked on it, bringing up other signs and “false flags” bs.

Re: the hostages, reported by whom?


being mistaken is not the same as lying.

and even then, I was only mistaken about a specific thing and not the substance of the idea.


Reported on Palestinian X accounts obviously


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