Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Essentially is an opinion
He either did or didn’t
what strawman?
anyway, if they signed a peace deal in April then I dont think Russia would have invaded again.
There were 0 guarantees except Putin's word. This 100% is essentially suggesting Putin can be trusted. We had several back and forth where I explained this cleary and succinctly. It doesn't get more straightforward than this.
You two have invented far more from far less so spare me your semantics arguments. You both know exactly what I'm saying and that it is true.
Lol at international great power diplomacy and negotiation being based on trust.
Amazing that you think you can be 100% certain on a counterfactual of a complex situation. Esp when you have been the worst prognosticator in this thread. Get over yourself.
Anyone who isn't so certain that they round up to 100% on this is an (useful) idiot as you've proven time and time again.
There were 0 guarantees except Putin's word. This 100% is essentially suggesting Putin can be trusted. We had several back and forth where I explained this cleary and succinctly. It doesn't get more straightforward than this.
You two have invented far more from far less so spare me your semantics arguments. You both know exactly what I'm saying and that it is true.
What you’re saying is that peace can never be accomplished unless Putin has been made to no longer be a threat
Do you see how you’re saying that and why it’s not true?
We need to adopt a ceasefire so that Ukraines defenses can be bolstered enough to prevent other incursions
or how about the russians **** off home
No, I'm not saying that. Ukraine should be given guarantees so that even if Russia is a threat they can fight back. The previous peace deal went out of its way to ensure that was not possible.
We have been over this. I laid it out extremely clearly then that article Victor posted laid it out even more clearly.
No, I'm not saying that. Ukraine should be given guarantees so that even if Russia is a threat they can fight back. The previous peace deal went out of its way to ensure that was not possible.
We have been over this. I laid it out extremely clearly then that article Victor posted laid it out even more clearly.
I don't see any working guarantee except an american base near russian border
Nato is the best option but unlikely. Several European countries are giving guarantees to help if Russia invades again, but who knows how much that is worth.
It really doesn't matter at the moment though, Putin has no immediate plans to stop
Ukraine should have kept its nukes
It would have been extremely difficult. Ukraine also never had control of them despite them being in Ukraine. They were likely more danger to Ukraine than to Russia.
Nato is the best option but unlikely. Several European countries are giving guarantees to help if Russia invades again, but who knows how much that is worth.
It really doesn't matter at the moment though, Putin has no immediate plans to stop
If you mean NATO membership it's 0.0001% chance, we already needed to give big concessions to Hungary and Turkey to get Sweden in , Ukraine is inimaginable i think.
NATO base perhaps?
No, I'm not saying that. Ukraine should be given guarantees so that even if Russia is a threat they can fight back. The previous peace deal went out of its way to ensure that was not possible.
We have been over this. I laid it out extremely clearly then that article Victor posted laid it out even more clearly.
Guarantees from who?
Footage of an ATACMS strike if anyone is interested
Very quick summary of the current USA fomented nazi coup:
Kuban is named after cuba.
Nazi coup in georgia?
You certainly want russia to win, russia cannot lose, do you get this? So its all bs.
You know what happens if russia starts losing? Nuclear war and you can kiss everybodys azz incl your own sayonara.
I know russia taught them how to do it but if you ever wanted to see ukraine propoganda in action google Belgorod Explosion from the kyiv times
Russia has accidentally bombed Belgorod numerous times now.
How do you explain what is happening there then?
it doesnt work that way
I have no idea what you're trying to say. What doesn't work what way?
you made the claim. show that they are a puppet of Russia. its your idea, not mine.
