2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Well, let's read the article instead of just the headline:
“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”
Seems like she accepts that election results were really what they were. She's not claiming that she actually won the election.
Sorry I should have said a democrat that CNN favored received the questions from CNN in advance . My bad on screwing up whom received the questions in advance.
Ah, so it isn't that you fell hook, line, and sinker for the made-up right wing story from four years ago, but that you misremembered who it was that was given some possible questions eight years ago. I see. Thanks for the clarification.
Why you needed to add this weird made-up bit at the end, I have no idea. Like what is your point even supposed to be here? There are precisely zero people in this discussion suggesting it was OK, or that Bernie was bad, or that Biden should be given the questions because Trump is bad. You're the one who brought up the whole knowing questions in advance thing, and the only person to have responded to it (me) has said nothing about it other than pointing out you got the story completely wrong.
I don’t see how your first 3 questions are relevant to the conversation so my only answer is for #2: yes, most people who make 25k pay less taxes than most people who make over 25k.
I think an educated workforce is extremely valuable.
I can’t think of any tax payer forced loan forgiveness I would support, but I would love to hear some you think I should support. Student loan forgiveness is just another massive handout to the colleges and uni
I think i half agree with you.
I don't get why all the focus is on loans and none is on why it costs so much. Boomers could pay for college with a summer job.
Why does it cost 5k a head to sit in a room, listen to a guy talk and then have a slightly older student grade your papers for minimum wage?
The same course lectures are free on youtube, with MIT and Stanford profs. There are countless unemployed and ubder employed PhDs who would be delighted to grade papers for like $50 an hour.
Having said that, it's not the younger generations fault we've turned college into a scheme to bury them in debt to banks who bought off politicians.
I don’t see how your first 3 questions are relevant to the conversation so my only answer is for #2: yes, most people who make 25k pay less taxes than most people who make over 25k.
I think an educated workforce is extremely valuable.
I can’t think of any tax payer forced loan forgiveness I would support, but I would love to hear some you think I should support.
You are factually wrong as usual .
Everyone earn the same and pay the same tax !
People who pay more tax is because they earn more ….
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tax...
Example: How to Calculate Your Taxes
Here's the tax responsibility and the effective tax rate for a single filer with a taxable income of $50,000 in 2023:
The first $11,000 is taxed at 10%: $11,000 × 0.10 = $1,100.00
The next $11,001 to $44,725, or $33,724, is taxed at 12%: $33,724 × 0.12 = $4,046.88
Finally, the remaining $5,276 (what’s left of the $50,000 income) is taxed at 22%: $5,276 × 0.22 = $1,160.72
Add the taxes owed in each of the brackets:
Total taxes: $1,100.00 + $4,046.88 + $1,160.72 = $6,307.60
So your concept of « earning » is meaningless , everyone earn equally .
I rather pay higher tax then the guy winning 25k yartkybbevausbeir means I actually make more money in the end …
And why that is u may ask ?
Because not everybody can be rich at the same time !
It’s impossible
Unless u favouring a communism system where everyone win the same .
If education is so high in your appreciation , what is the difference between forgiveness loan for student and a tax cut when the result end up the same ?
More money in the pocket of the consumer ?
To say student loans forgone as hiving money to university makes no sense , it’s the student that gets the money .
And to believe student loans forgiveness is bad because it will entice more costly education makes no sense either , we already see from year of empirical data that prior to student loans forgiveness the cost of education was already to high and kept raising ….
FWIW pretty harsh to prevent people to have an education just because they are poor , especially when u admit it’s damn important !
The concept of equal opportunity is a an important American value which obviously u disagree with sadly .
I think i half agree with you.
I don't get why all the focus is on loans and none is on why it costs so much. Boomers could pay for college with a summer job.
Why does it cost 5k a head to sit in a room, listen to a guy talk and then have a slightly older student grade your papers for minimum wage?
The same course lectures are free on youtube, with MIT and Stanford profs. There are countless unemployed and ubder employed PhDs who would be del
it costs so much because of federal guaranteed loans lol.
if people had to pay full out of pocket, or convince market participants it's a good bet to loan to them a lot of unsecured money, prices would drop for lack of actual demand for all courses that don't provide you with a good future income stream and to all people who can't prove to be extremely diligent and talented.
once the shitload of federal money is there, they find a way to take it and spend it. currently it's insane admin bloat, lavish facilities, sport teams and so on
Well, let's read the article instead of just the headline:
Seems like she accepts that election results were really what they were. She's not claiming that she actually won the election.
so she claiming the election was won illegally is a reasonable claim??? even with no court agreeing with her? this is identical to trump claiming democrats tampered the vote in 2020 and you know it
glad we got 2 debates but was really hoping for at least 3. i assume one o the debates will be 3 hours hopefully
so she claiming the election was won illegally is a reasonable claim??? even with no court agreeing with her? this is identical to trump claiming democrats tampered the vote in 2020 and you know it
Did I miss where she said illegal? I'm not pulling up the article again but it's not in the quote I provided. I also don't think she even attempted to take this to a court, as Trump did, right?
Did I miss where she said illegal? I'm not pulling up the article again but it's not in the quote I provided. I also don't think she even attempted to take this to a court, as Trump did, right?
Since when is hacking legal? Hacking is listed as a "tactic" purportedly employed by Trump to win elections, hence the illegitimacy of his presidency (according to HRC).
Afaik no, she didn't attempt to take this to court
Since when is hacking legal? Hacking is listed as a "tactic" purportedly employed by Trump to win elections, hence the illegitimacy of his presidency (according to HRC).
Afaik no, she didn't attempt to take this to court
Right, so nowhere in this did she say that the election results were not truly what they were. She did not claim that Trump changes votes in any way. This is in contrast to Trump who claims that he did actually win the election. Glad we could clear that up.
Right, so nowhere in this did she say that the election results were not truly what they were. She did not claim that Trump changes votes in any way. This is in contrast to Trump who claims that he did actually win the election. Glad we could clear that up.
Illegitimate means exactly that. That the results were predicated on large scale fraud, and/or illegal actions. Which is what Trump claimed after 2020 as well.
When she says hacking what is she implying if not hacking of voting machines?
But yes I understand, words lose all meaning in this forum .
"Totally in contrast to Trump"
Illegitimate president
STOLEN election
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...
Totally different
You obviously don't even know the facts of what we are discussing, so I will just leave this here and be on with my day: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-p...
You obviously don't even know the facts of what we are discussing, so I will just leave this here and be on with my day: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-p...
Sure that hacking, not the alleged hacking that Pelosi and Schiff talked about sure
Right, so nowhere in this did she say that the election results were not truly what they were. She did not claim that Trump changes votes in any way. This is in contrast to Trump who claims that he did actually win the election. Glad we could clear that up.
Trump went as far as to show random footage of poll volunteers doing their job in a 100% legal and ethical manner according to law enforcement and republican polling officials and claiming malfeasance. This required police protection for these individuals. Really nothing can normalize Trump’s behavior post election and the attempts are as lame as you would expect. That’s why you have to dishonestly leave out major major facts like a concession speech, everyone expected attending Trump’s inauguration etc to make lie fueled false equivalency. A simple honest reading of the facts of course shows a large difference.
Trump went as far as to show random footage of poll volunteers doing their job in a 100% legal and ethical manner according to law enforcement and republican polling officials and claiming malfeasance. This required police protection for these individuals. Really nothing can normalize Trump’s behavior post election and the attempts are as lame as you would expect.
Trump behavior isn't being normalized, it's that HRC and some other democrats did deny the legitimacy of the election as well.
And it's quite hard to accept moral lessons from people who deny that.
Basically the only people who can teach others morals about recent events are never Trumpers on the right
I wasn't, which is why i am not moralizing.
I am just saying that if you find Trump a big threat to democracy because of his election denial (I don't), then HRC and other democrats should be at least small threats to democracy as well, if you want to keep any sense of intellectual honesty.
I am pro Biden v Trump though (as I wrote months ago), or at least I was until.Biden went crazy a few days ago with tariffs, for me the main reason to prefer Biden to Trump till then.
This election it's actually a lot easier to be pro Biden than in 2020 (from the right).
Senate is almost certainly going to be republican (that wasn't obvious at all in 2020) , so no tax increase or extra deficit spending can pass easily, and there isn't COVID anymore, so no risk of insane freedom violations in that regard by a democrat administration.
Regulatory follies are a risk but Biden hasn't exaggerated too much wrt oil & gas extraction this mandate, and there is still hope SCOTUS reduces federal agencies power this term further reducing the risks.
Given Ukraine, where Biden behaved very well, it's still on balance reasonable to prefer Biden to Trump imho.
But I am not a never trumper in the sense of "any democrat would be better than trump" no, not at all
Basically the only people who can teach others morals about recent events are never Trumpers on the right
The tone in just about every post of yours is high-horse moralizing. You should be able to see this unless you have Trump-like narcissism.
The tone in just about every post of yours is high-horse moralizing. You should be able to see this unless you have Trump-like narcissism.
No, the tone is "you guys are defending HRC pls stop It 's indecent to defend that".
I am not throwing the stones to the sinners, I am saying you don't deserve to throw them as I don't.
They are defending someone who is fully indefensible and part of the problems they declare they want to solve and decry as highly immoral.
It's like defending someone who "only " shows his genitals to kids when discussing someone who actually rapes them
I don’t see how your first 3 questions are relevant to the conversation so my only answer is for #2: yes, most people who make 25k pay less taxes than most people who make over 25k.
I think an educated workforce is extremely valuable.
I can’t think of any tax payer forced loan forgiveness I would support, but I would love to hear some you think I should support. Student loan forgiveness is just another massive handout to the colleges and uni
Yeah, i think you're onto something. Also, as with military, once you outsource the profits and politicians get a cut, waste becomes good. A more honest gov would try to keep spending down.
Credible Universities also have this weird insulation from the market because only they can give you the diploma, which is what you really want.
And the diploma doesn't just say "i know about this subject." It says "i'm a functional person who can jump through hoops."
And, college is also incredibly fun, where many people meet their spouse as well as life long friends and a great opportunity to network.
Still, when you could have a PhD individually tutor you on a subject for maybe 20% of what it costs to sit in a class with 100 students, and profs who are often barely involved with teaching, i feel like something has to give.
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
Time to get out of the poshest parts of Kansas and to see how the 99% are getting by.
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
I’m extremely apathetic about this election, mainly because the two parties in this country are so close ideologically and in policy. Sure, there are some differences, but my day to day hasn’t been affected by who is president over the past 20 years. I can’t imagine this one being different - despite the personalities involved being such opposites
